A New Threat to Civil Liberties

Consider for a moment if, as the leftists want, we socialize health care. 

What will this lead to? Obviously, the state would be playing a larger role in the health care industry, possibly even running the whole thing itself.  But the important thing is who picks up the tab.  As long as the individual, not the state, is paying his own bills, it is fine to say he should be able to take whatever risky decisions he wants to with his body, since he is paying his own bills for the possible results of said risky decisions. 

In a socialized health system, where health care is 'free', and no individual is paying his own bill individually, there is a present and great incentive for the people to vote for infringements of civil liberties - to ban certain activities that, in a capitalistic health care system would be entirely acceptable due to the fact that the individual is picking up his own bill.

If you are a civil liberties advocate who cares little about economic freedom, you should consider this before you join the ranks of the socialized medicine supporters.  Once socialized health care gets passed, you will find yourself fighting an uphill battle to protect a great many non-economic freedoms.

For a quick example.  If health care is socialized, there will be an increasing incentive for the state to ban smoking or drinking because it is very unhealthy. 

In a socialist system, the state must pay the bills of the people who drinks or smokes, not the individual.  The result? In a universal health care system, the public has an interest in somehow forcing you to act the way they want you to - an incentive they would not have in a capitalistic system.

This line of thinking, when combined with a socialized universal health care system would, without a doubt, lead to more infringements of personal freedom and choice down the road.  Freedoms that you take for granted now to do all manner of unhealthy things from smoking to drinking to eating ice cream or  engaging in any other unhealthy activity if you want are suddenly more likely to be in the crosshairs of public debate in the future, if socialized health care is implimented. 

Any personal freedom that is unhealthy will be up in the air as long as it is arguable that it is likely to result in the state paying some form of bill or other, rather than the individual taking the risk.  Socialist health care will invariably lead to a reduction of personal freedom and choice in our society, if implimented. 

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"You are all deluded. Thanks to the National Health Service the average person in the UK has healthcare that the pharoahs and kings of the ancient world could only dream of."

By stealing/extorting the resources to provide it from someone else. 

"This is the Miracle of Socialism."

Without some degree of capitalism, your government programs would be non-existant for lack of funding.  Miracle of socialism? More like miracle of looting. 

"even though the fucking rich want their fucking lower taxes"

What? Those greedy bastards think they should have a right to keep what they earn? What an absurd notion.

"It is funny you Yanks consider socialized medicine theft, because in Britain private healthcare is considered theft as it steals doctors and nurses from the People's NHS,"

Yes, because the doctors are clearly the property of the state.    Their bodies, the achievements, and the things they produce are the property of the state to be used as the state sees fit.  Greedy individualist bastards.

"private education is considered theft because it steals teachers from the People's schools, I personally consider anyone who uses or works for private health or education to be an enemy of the People."

Yes, because the teachers are clearly the property of the state.    Their bodies, the achievements, and the things they produce are the property of the state to be used as the state sees fit.  Greedy individualist bastards.

"Also those that say socialized healthcare makes people unhealthy should realize how unhealthy American's are both mentally and physically. I am 5'9" 130 pounds hardly ever drink, smoke weed or fap, the last time I needed to use the NHS I fell down the stairs whilst drunk and broke my toe and I was treated by African and Chinese doctors, because we have doctors and nurses from around the world who work together for the People."

I'm 5"10, 140 lbs, have never used a recreational drug in my life, and am generally in perfect health.  Saying "americans" are unhealthy imposes collective judgement on americans generally, when there are plenty of individual americans who are quite healthy indeed.  Also, the simple fact that one society has more individuals like myself who are in good health does not mean that that society has a better medical system - it could simply mean that that society's individuals choose to make more healthy decisions.. (such as eating more vegetables, less ice cream, or whatever).

"The American healthcare system invents diseases just to provide a cure for a profit,"

Give an example.  Your circumcision example was not a disease, and thus does not fit your description and is not a proper example.

"like completly unnessacary circumcisions which is viewed as a barbaric mutilation in Europe"

Good for them.  I view it as unnecessary and barbaric too.  Being a capitalist doesn't mean I am pro-genital mutilation (SURPRISE!).  There are also other americans (as well as some of those evil greedy capitalist doctors you despise so much) who oppose the practice.

"In a truly communist system drugs, tobacco and alcohol would not even exist as companies would not exist to grow them and their would be no demand,"

LOL! How would you get rid of demand? Utterly destroying all individuality and raising the public in an Orwellian police state under constant 24 hour-a-day surveillance & loading them up with bullshit propaganda about how their bodies are the property of the collective and that by using drugs they are damaging state property?

"people would be happy all the time so wouldn't need drugs to escape the capitalist hell of individualism and competition,"

I'm living in the USA right now, and I can't complain.  I'd rather live here than in fucking europe or canada, or worse, China or the former Soviet Union.


I sure as fuck hope >>25 was a troll post.