Non-liberal non-racist discussion of race.

Liberal views of race are fallacious. So are racist discussions. As I shall now prove.

Instances of race as a social construct do not disprove race as biologically valid, scientific fact cannot be changed by the actions of people. Thus any mention of social constructs is going to be irrelevant to this discussion.

There are documented genetic markers that cause them to have different brain sizes and other various features unique to that race. Negroes for instance have by far the smallest brains, whereas whites and mongoloids have about the same size brain, but with asians beating caucasians, which explains their higher IQs with the Chinese scoring higher than many european counties with higher standards of living.

As much as culture has an effect on a person's ability to learn, by default there is a limit to the complexity of concepts that a person can understand and the speed at which a person can develop an understanding of complex concepts. Not everyone can complete a PHD in theoretical physics. Those who are capable of doing so are genetically superior to those who cannot and denying this fact is an act of discrimination against those people.

Does this mean all negroes are genetically inferior in mental capacity to all mongoloids and should be considerred less human?

No.

Some negroes are more intelligent than mongoloids by genetic default. The differences in intelligence within a race, in groups which have sufficient nutrition and education, are often wider than the differences between races. Racism is inherantly illogical and is not a practical means of discerning what genes we should grant future generations.

What should we make of this?

>>80

>>Live, enjoy life, understand the fruitlessness of your endeavors...

Wow, you must really be some kind of sick and twisted fuck if from that you derived: "Everything is meaningless, become an hero!"

No, it doesn't, however it does mean that Laplace's demon doesn't apply to our universe. That's why it is moot.

Once again, you fail at Quantum Physics.

>>79

The biological mechanism for race cannot be genetics because there is no fundamental genetic expression for race outside of the "after-the-fact" classifications we give it to make us sleep better at night. Just because it's easier doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't make it true. Again, you need to bone up on scientific method. (and genetics for that matter)

@ >>79

You're obviously not intelligent enough to comprehend what I wrote. 

Groups of alike humans differ genetically from other groups.  This can be construed as race.  There is no one "race" gene. That is a strawman, and you probably are too stupid to be aware of it. Just like species differ -- there is no one gene that differs species.  Your liberal BS arguments use semantical games or obfuscations to block the truth, but at the end of the day you're the one lying to yourself to make yourself sleep better at night.


I don't expect a pure European person to be born with jet black skin.  Nor do I expect pure East Asians to lack epicanthic folds.  Nor do I expect niggers to invent the wheel.  There may be exceptions (such as environmental issues or statistical rarities) but those are just that--exceptions.


I understand science and empiricism.  I also know what the limits of human perception are.  Let's use the example of colors... they don't exist in their form outside of human perception -- they're just different frequencies of light.  Yet we assign certain colors (or a color range) to green, blue, yellow, violet, etc., and other people are going to know what you're talking about.  This is just like race -- an inexact description of a phenemonon that is simplified for human understandings.

So STFU fag. LOL.  Go read Jew Gould and don your yarmulke, commie fag. LOL.

(And the fact this argument is getting into fucking quantum physics to prove/disprove race pretty much shows that the common people are idiots who need to be oppressed)

>>82

Full of AIDS and fail. You don't understand science and empiricism, you obviously don't understand the limits of human perception if you yourself can not see that comparing the perception of race to the perception colors is NOT the same thing.

Colors are expressed at different frequencies of light, but this is not the same way we percieve race as being expressed as difference clusters of "race making genes". There are no "race making genes" (sorry, but I clearly have to dumb this down for you). This is the point that you continue to glare over because your identity (and thus the identity of others)- regardless if you are willing to admit- is limited to the construct of race. You are a racist.

There is no such thing as a "Pure race". Even when we use your definition of race; the only truly "pure" race are our sub-saharan ancestors that survived the flood.

Your inability to understand this is what makes you common and makes people like you very easy to manipulate. It's been going on for years and it's not even some big conspiracy. Spewing "Jew Gould" and "Commie" and "Liberal" means that you are common and more than likely you're being oppressed by your own misinformation.

Thank God for the Illumanti.

>>81 "Wow, you must really be some kind of sick and twisted fuck if from that you derived: 'Everything is meaningless, become an hero!'"

OK, then tell me how my actions will remain meaningful in, say, a couple hundred billion years.

"Once again, you fail at Quantum Physics."

Once again, you don't explain how. We can't physically determine where every particle is in the universe without messing with its speed, and vice versa -- how the hell could we then know where everything was in the beginning of the universe?

>>84

That's entirely subjective though. "Meaning" could be a weak term for a stronger ideal that we aren't currently able to comprehend. Why you feel the need to adhere to such a rigid and dogmatic way of thinking, is a conflict for yourself- not for others.

Lack of determinism doesn't imply lack of meaning. Lack of probability doesn't imply lack of possibility. If you truly understand that human perception is limited, then why would base any concrete belief on human perception? This can range from capitalism, to socialism, or racism. It really doesn't matter from here on out because you're sitting here trying to say that the lack of determinism in Quantum Physics somehow proves that "niggers didn't invent the wheel". Do you even realize how ignorant you sound?

>>85

You're still thinking I'm a racist even though I'm not responsible for those statements you think I made. I'm suspicious now that you are probably a troll, and a good one at that. I'm just trying to invalidate Laplace's demon, thereby making people responsible for their own actions, rather than claim that it was "destiny."

Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them. Seriously, that's for brainless, ditzy girls who "still love" their boyfriend who beats them.

@ >>83

LOL.  But I never said there were "race making genes"  I said there were groups of alike humans that differed to other groups with genetic differences.  Why can't you comprehend this?

As for pure races, let's just say an individual with no ancestral intermixture with members of other racial groups for a long time.  How's dat sound, Charlie?

As for the flood, well, nice try putting in your Christian shithole religion in the debate.  Good job well done!  Did I detect a bit of afrocentrism in there, too?

The reason I trollingly mentioned Gould was because racial nihilism is pushed primarily by leftist whites, and Jews.  But that's an argument for another place, and definitely not pedo-chan.

I'd love to know which parts of China have a better standard of living than Europe. Also small genetic markers don't mean shit. Everyone has the same potential to become intelligent if raised in the right environment, regardless of their mouth structure or whatever.

>>89

Fascismo: Intelligence doesn't guarentee success.  It correlates, but then again, it is more evidence of racial difference as the Chinese have a higher IQ average than Europe.

Not everyone has the same potential.  That's why most people in 1st world countries are still stupid.

>>86

Listen: Maybe if the universe was 100% knowable and unchanging maybe you'd be right. But come on, there's no way of invalidating Laplace's demon, it's been tried by smarter men with, in all probability, better education than yours. You aren't going to invalidate jack shit on a BBS on the internet, especially when that place is 4chan. And where do you get off thinking invalidating Laplace's demon is going to magically make people absolutely responsible for their own actions?

>>88

Why can't you comprehend the irrelevance of such an observation? Let's just divide people with different heights into different "races" then! Hey! Fat people fall outside your preconcieved "norm" they must be a different race too!

As for pure races, let's just say an individual with no ancestral intermixture with members of other racial groups for a long time.  How's dat sound, Charlie?

Sounds like bunk madness.

Taken from >>79: The biological mechanism for race cannot be genetics because there is no fundamental genetic expression for race outside of the "after-the-fact" classifications we give it to make us sleep better at night. Just because it's easier doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't make it true. Again, you need to bone up on scientific method. (and genetics for that matter)

Therefore, there can be no "racial groups" because race has no fundamental genetic expression, until you can prove otherwise you fail and you're just flapping your big old gums just to be heard. Keep on crying into the dead of night, loser.

As for the flood, well, nice try putting in your Christian shithole religion in the debate.  Good job well done!  Did I detect a bit of afrocentrism in there, too?

Maybe you need to lay your dumbass off the LSD. I made no references to the bible. The flood is a reference to whatever happened to mankind that resulting in our only survivors being sub-saharan Africans. If you have a better or competing theory I'm sure the scientific journals would like to hear of it.

The reason I trollingly mentioned Gould was because racial nihilism is pushed primarily by leftist whites, and Jews.  But that's an argument for another place, and definitely not pedo-chan.

Who cares? You're an idiot if you really think there's some uncontrollable conspiracy to push "racial nihilism" by "leftist whites" and "Jews"?

You're a white nationalist, buddy! I don't expect someone like you to not have (thinly vieled) racist views! There's no way you'd ever admit to yourself or others that race is an invalid, unfounded and illogical construct because your identity and entire belief system are intrinsically staked on the existence on race. This makes you easily controlled, it doesn't make you or "your race" stronger.

>>90

It's not as simple as that.

http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/statistics/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_CHN.html

>>91

According to chemical engineer Robert Ulanowicz, in his 1986 book Growth and Development, Laplace's demon met its end with early 19th century developments of the concepts of irreversibility, entropy, and the second law of thermodynamics. In other words, Laplace's demon was based on the premise of reversibility and classical mechanics; thermodynamics, i.e. real processes, however, are irreversible.

>>92

You're still missing the fucking point, doucher. And so is Ulanowicz.

wtf is laplace's demon

>>94
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

>>95
im still to lazy, direct link pls

>>96

You want someone else to type laplace's demon into the search bar and click on the button for you...?