Is there any reason to be proud of your race? What is it?
Is that racist?
Is it racist to have pride in being 'azn'?
Is it racist to have pride in being white?
Is it racist to have pride in being black?
Why does society vigorously attack those who proclaim pride in being white, while supporting those who proclaim pride in being black?
If it is 'ok' or 'acceptable' to have pride in being black, why is it not 'ok' or 'acceptable' to have pride in being white? Is this logical and or consistent?
I'd like to hear anything relevant to this line of thought. Post away.
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Anonymous2006-12-26 23:45
ya know, its one of those things that perplex me in my life
bottom line, people are stupid
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Anonymous2006-12-26 23:51
I dunno but I blame the jews
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Anonymous2006-12-27 0:07
I think racial pride is illogical, whether you are black, asian or white.
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AC2006-12-27 1:00
I think black pride is fine, but all other racial pride is bad. I'm black by the way.
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Anonymous2006-12-27 5:31
If pride in race is acceptable, it should be acceptable for everyone regardless of race. If it is unacceptable, it should be unacceptable for everyone regardless of race.
I don't think black pride is fine. I think it's pretty fucking stupid. The statements I make on this board aren't out of racial pride, they are from a humanistic stance- my loyality is to the general commonwealth and the empowerment of that commonwealth. Period. If you believe otherwise, you just haven't been paying attention or you're too busy using strawman arguments to prop up your outdated polarizing worldview. Plus, I don't nessacarily think any one race has been solely responsible for any one thing to really be proud of. Plus, it's just flat out illogical to have any pride in something you had no control over. There's no way around it: Pride in your race = something you had and have no part in, and that = ILLOGICAL
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Anonymous2006-12-27 18:19
>>12
Your argument is invalid as did not spell "necessarily" properly.
P.S. You are one of these people who goes around saying Shakespeare was black etc... because you think claiming famous people like were black will stop racism when all you end up doing is making a fool of yourself when asked for proof and the only thing you can say is "someone who shakes a spear sounds like a bruva to me".
P.P.S. Well maybe Robbie Shakespeare was black, I don't know. But you get my point.
"Your argument is invalid as did not spell "necessarily" properly."
Read: "I can't refute anything else in your statement, so I'm in ur thread nitpickin ur typoes"
"You are one of these people who goes around saying Shakespeare was black etc... because you think claiming famous people like were black will stop racism when all you end up doing is making a fool of yourself when asked for proof and the only thing you can say is "someone who shakes a spear sounds like a bruva to me"."
You are completely delusional. I'm sick of this "You are one of these people..." shit. You don't know WHO the fuck I am and the very idea that someone's ENTIRE belief system can be accurately and completely summed up by any number of posts on this backasswards forum is reflective of a poor education and an intellect utterly stunted in it's growth.
I've come to understand that the only possible reason you continue on with this bullshit is because literally anything that doesn't "fit" into your extremely limited realm of understanding- just will not compute. You can't help to think of things ANY other way because your brain is filled to the brim with obsolete, FALSE dichotomies.
OF COURSE, you think I'm one of those people that think Shakespeare was black! Listen to this statment: "Someone who shakes a spear sounds like a bruva to me".
Um, what? For that to be true, not only do you have to assume that one of my ancesters was a spear-chucking slave, but you have to make the assumption that because I am black I LIKE spear-chucking savages! How is assuming something about me, making a pre-judgement with even knowing me- logical? How is it objective? How is it not the very definition of racism?
All this shit you're constantly and dogmatically impressing upon me is a projection of your own inner bigot.
Yiff in hell and wallow in shame, fuckface.
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Anonymous2006-12-27 22:58
I love how AC can talk so much while actually saying so little, if you all understand what I mean by that.
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Anonymous2006-12-28 8:07
pride (prd)
n.
1. A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
2. Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association: parental pride.
3. Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness.
4.
a. A cause or source of pleasure or satisfaction; the best of a group or class: These soldiers were their country's pride.
b. The most successful or thriving condition; prime: the pride of youth.
5. An excessively high opinion of oneself; conceit.
6. Mettle or spirit in horses.
7. A company of lions. See Synonyms at flock1.
8. A flamboyant or impressive group: a pride of acrobats.
tr.v. prid·ed, prid·ing, prides
To indulge (oneself) in a feeling of pleasure or satisfaction: I pride myself on this beautiful garden.
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Anonymous2006-12-28 8:12
>>14
You are one of those people who sux cox for cash.
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Xel2006-12-28 12:13
Robbie kicks William's ass anyday.
"Distorted melodies / Got me rocking in my chair."
If you pay attention and have a reading level above that of an American High School student, it's very easy to understand what I'm saying. The real problem with you is that your mom's brother is your dad, so it's left you with crippling lack of cognitive ability.
Either you can respond to my points, or you can't. You can't so you fuckin' fail. It doesn't get any easier than that.
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Anonymous2006-12-29 18:15
>>20
I'll wait until you learn basic english to respond to your 'points'.
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Anonymous2006-12-29 18:23
>>12
Outside of all the bullshit about the commonwealth, I'd have to agree. Black pride or racial pride in general is not only racist, it is pretty fucking illogical.
you'll be waiting forever then, because apparently everyone besides you got the jist of what anti-chan was saying. trust me i probably don't like the guy anymore than you do, but claiming anti-chan is stupid because of typos and then not responding to his post just makes you like a troll IMO. anti-chan is stupid for another set of reasons altogether (1. he takes himself too seriously)
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Anonymous2006-12-30 4:28
>>23
I'm not sure why I need to be arguing with him. He acknowledged that the whole notion of racial pride - including black pride - is illogical and said that he wasn't ok with that... Sounds fine to me.
The whole reason I made this thread was to point out the idiocy of society in how it demonizes those who proclaim pride in being white while simultaneously encouraging black pride.
Racial pride in general is not only illogical, it is racist and only serves to further segregate society.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 4:49
Positive discrimination is bullshit also.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 5:26
>>25
I agree, but I don't like that you use the word 'positive' to describe it. Discrimination is discrimination, and racial discrimination is always a bad thing, especially when governmentally enforced. Individuals should not be judged by their skin color.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 6:25
being proud of your race is implying that there is something that separates your race from others. that is racism, all it is doing is widening the divide between races. there is one race, the human race, because you have one altered gene that determines skin pigmentation out of tens of thousands means absolutely nothing. im not proud to be white, i am proud to be human (at least sometimes...). this is the problem with all pride, racial pride, gay pride, feminazi pride, you are creating differences when you should be focused on how we are all pretty much the same.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 7:14
Racial pride is like hair color pride or lenght pride. Being proud over something you have had no control over what so ever is just silly. You go around announcing Earth pride too?
First of all, you've all GOT to be kidding. Second, learn how to spell, learn how to properly capitalize, and learn basic grammar rules. Third, racism is racism. You can discriminate against other races or think your race is infinitely superior to others. (Either way, you're wrong and stupid.) Finally, you can all suck my balls. Too bad I'm a chick.
Oh yeah, I forgot. There are no girls on the internet. Shit.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 19:00
>>26
So, basically, human beings should not be free to judge, so we can't discriminate at all, is that what you're implying? Fuck you, I'll judge people all I want, fuck your moral imperative.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 19:02
Racial pride also mostly means cultural pride. Which people focus on skin color because that has been a distinctive trait of certain cultures for centuries. Even though we are bordering each other in terms of interaction now. It will still take a little time before we begin to understand what we were refering to was culture and not race.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 19:03
Sure, racial pride is illogical, but most people with pride like don't have much else to be proud of.
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Anonymous2006-12-30 19:22
>>32
How is it logical to have pride in a culture you are born into? Pride should be based on individual accomplishments, not uncontrollable accidents of birth.
everyone chooses what parts of their culture to accept and what parts they don't accept. if a person doesn't like his culture he can reject it and move or something. it's not all an accident though some parts are.
>>30
1. did you even read the thread?
2. omg no capitulz or spellingz i can't read this bullshit from my high horse.
3. what?
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Anonymous2006-12-31 9:03
People who are pride of their race usually have empty lives overall, but I do think it's a bit bizarre that black pride is widely considered positive (or at least socially accepted), and white pride isn't.
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Anonymous2006-12-31 9:09
proud*
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Anonymous2006-12-31 17:22
>>38
It is bizarre that black pride is considerred positive. It is not bizarre that white pride is not considerred positive.
What is the relevence of this when we've already determined that racial pride is illogical and thus negative? Posts like >>40's lead nowhere but down that "Why can't I say nigger?" road that typically whites love to bust out of nowhere.
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Anonymous2006-12-31 21:38
>>41
I apologise. I did not realise I was nitpicking. No offense intended.
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Anonymous2006-12-31 22:07
white is not a race. black is not a race.
those are skin pigments. russians and krauts can't just get in a room and say 'lol we're the white race' anymore than the warring african tribes in nigeria can claim to be of the same 'race' as their 'brothers' in south africa- the same goes for their jumbled up descendents in the americas, who don't even know what they are.
really, race only actually exists in any real way in some parts of africa, the middle east, parts of asia and a few fringe areas of europe, and even then it usually has nothing to so with the national identities that people associate themselves with. race does not exist in the west in any real sense, in particular in america. even if your descendents were 100% german, the 'germans' of that time weren't a 'race' anyway.
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Vernadotte2007-01-01 15:54
It's perfectly fine for people to help their own race and to improve their culture, in fact that's what they should do. Pride in your race simply corresponds to the willingness to do that, and if you don't have pride in your race then your people and you will start losing your cultural identity.
Modern USA is a perfect example: Since blacks are allowed to have their pride and white pride is repressed, black culture is dominant, and other people are losing their identity. Lots of white people are obsessed with rap, they dress "ghetto", and talking black is considered cool. If they had been allowed to have their racial pride then they wouldn't have been dominanted by a foreign race.
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Vernadotte2007-01-01 16:03
You're right, there is no such thing as a real "race" anymore, but there are distinct cultural groups, and the broader ones usually have smaller ones that they are composed of.
Russians and neighbors are Slavic: maybe their 'race' as you would say is not the same, but they share highly similar langauages, traditions, and so on, and their descent is much closer than to say, Africans or Celts.
The white race is simply used to describe Europeans, basically people descended from the old tribes that settled in Europe. Do races change over time? Of course they do, you can't distinguish Teutonic from Etruscan 'races' anymore, because people blend races and cultures all the time, just as you said. As a result they don't just lose race altogether. They just form a combined one.
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Anonymous2007-01-01 19:12
which proves that notions of racial superiority or the necessity of racial distinction don't matter a bit. all the so called 'pure' races of today are mongrel breeds which have all radically changed within even the last 100 years, and massively in the last 2000 years.
and you're still talking about 'black' & 'white' as if they were races. they're not.
There should be only one thing people should pledge allegiance to, and that is the human race.
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Anonymous2007-01-01 19:28
>>44
holy fucking shit, I've never thought of it that way.
Think about asian pride and the creation of wapanese, oh I mean AZN PRYDE. Fuck people, just be yourself, you are not part of race, part of group, part of a nation. You are nothing, yet you are everything.
There is no such thing as a "dominant culture" in the first place because from what I've learned about human society it appears that there are no real "mono-cultures" to speak of. Blacks aren't a "foreign race" in Modern America- that's your eurocenticism shining through as it eventually does with all "wolf in sheep's clothing" white nationalists.
America is a combination of so many different cultures and all that stems from an ACTUAL "foregin race" of Anglos coming in and agressively colonizing. Even when the anglos did colonize their dominant culture still featured elements of the east (Eye of Horus on your dollarz).
I really think that anyone constantly pushing racial pride lacks the ability to properly interpet all of human history in it's entirety. It's childish, in my opinion, to constantly place emphasis on these differences when all cultures despite their different appearences and symbols are basically all the same god damn thing. A bunch of different symbols and color all with the same general HUMAN meaning.
I think >>48 put it best: You are nothing, yet you are everything.
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Anonymous2007-01-03 14:46
like i said earlier, race is simply a myth. if you go back and look at the historical movement of peoples throughout europe, it becomes clear that most of the 'races' that existed in europe are essentially fictional creations themeselves resulting from the huge movements of peoples & cultures which occured on a regular basis; the same is true in africa and to a lesser extent asia, and of course to an enourmous extent in america.
certainly, white as a race does not exist, and neither does black. furthermore, trying to 'protect' culture is one of the most futile and pathetic things there is. you know what happens when you obsessively protect race & culture? the amish community, thats what.
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Anonymous2007-01-03 14:51
>>55
Race isn't a myth, racial differences are well documented in biology. It's just that the diffrences are too slight to justify seperation. This should all be exposed to criticism and free debate and people should be able to do what they want.
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Anonymous2007-01-03 14:58
>>54
Cultures are sets of 1000s of ideas and thus too ambiguous for you to make any clear points. Also the Egyptians were arabs.
Stop saying stupid shit. Egyptians were not simply "Arabs" they were a combination of many cultures and races.
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Anonymous2007-01-04 7:27
Anubis licked his balls.
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Anonymous2007-01-04 12:22
>>56
yes, but race in the sense that we define it today is a myth. for example, there is now a theory that the vast majority of English people are not descendents of the anglo-saxxon invaders, which would, amongst other things, completely change the identities of both most 'English' people and those in America who claim to be of 'Anglo-Saxxon' origin.
Almost none of the 'races' people talk about actually exist in any pure notion, ESPECIALLY as regards European 'races'. It's just total hogwash.
>>57
the ancient Egyptians were not Arabs. they may have a strong Arab influence today after the Arab invasions which gave rise to the 'Muslim Empire', but that was thousands of years after the ancient Egypt we associate with things such as the 'eye of horus'. as in greece, Italy and Germany, the people of Egypt in that time would look very different to those who live in Egypt today- in Egypts case, the Arab influence being enormous now.
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Anonymous2007-01-04 14:01
>>58 >>60
Why are you so angry with reality? I never said they were all pure arabs or that their culture was seperated from the world for 1000s of years and was completely unique. I'm sure 10 or 20 mixed race Nubians made their way up the Nile and raised families in Egypt occasionally. I said ancient Egypt was Arab. The Nubians are not black, they are mixed race. Their phenotypes prove they are equally distant from west africans and arabs and that the proportion of arab ancestry increases until you reach southern Egypt at which point people have 99%+ arab ancestry.
1. You said "Egypt was Arabs" and you are wrong. Period.
2. You said it was "10 or 20" mixed raced Nubians and you are wrong. Nubians are an integral part of the pre-culture of Egypt as is much of southern Africa. This has been proven multiple times over and everytime something new comes out you're proven wrong.
Screaming "Afrocentrism" doesn't work when the information has been peer reviewed for use in Encyclopedias and Colleges around the world. Further more, regardless of what phenotypes you're referring to--- if you were to take an anicent Egyptian from then and place him in America-- you would call him black. Stop playing the semantics game. Arabs and all other races come from Africa. The "out of Africa" theory is widely accepted because there are no other logical competing theories out there.
3. You are wrong when you say "Mixed race" because it implies that there are "Pure races", in the first place. Maybe you don't understand what >>60 is saying? Simplified: Biology implies biological difference due to effects from environment and culture not absolute and fundamental "racial differences". Race is an "after the fact" definition for those biological differences not the defining mechanism for those differences.
Finally: Reality is entirely subjective. You *Want* to believe certain things that you have NO empirical evidence for and you want to believe the limited range of facts imply truth when you've been hard pressed to identify the mechanism. <==== This is how we all know you're stupid and don't understand Scientific Method.
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Cynic2007-01-05 2:47
What we refer to as 'racial' pride is really 'cultural' pride.
Asians aren't proud of being Asian because of attributes common to all Asians - those don't exist. Not all Asians are good at math, etc.
They're proud because they love the aspects of their culture which make them stand out, which they consider to be superior to other cultures. They reckon anime is better than the flintstones. Ramen is better than pasta. That type of stuff. Makes sense, right? ;)
I'm proud to be part of my own subculture - the snobby intelligentsia. I love my greater understanding of literature, science and the arts, and my extension into Asian, Indian and European culture. I just don't have a corresponding racial background I can use to identify it :P
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Anonymous2007-01-05 3:00
>>62
Calm down, it's not like I'm saying the Egyptians were australian aborignes or anything. Are you afraid I am an australian aborigne supremacist? Don't worry, I'm not.
I believe the Egyptians were arab because the university of Egypt agrees to a man that thge ancient egyptian pharoahs, priests and nobles were thin nosed straight haired arabs until the 25th dynasty when the mixed race kushite pharoahs took the throne for 200 years or so.
The Nubians and Kushites were certainly mixed race.
So you believe that de-humanising non-asians because "Ramen is better than pasta." is acceptable? How would you like it if whites began reminding you day in day out that in China's 1000 year history of dense populations and supposed scientific advances they never colonised australia or invented the printined press and had to wait for cold war-torn northern europeans to do it for them?
"Mixed Race" is a loaded word without merit due to the very reasons I posted in >>62. Continued use of the term when we discuss race as far as pre-Egyptian phenotypes goes- means that you just "don't get it".
Belief isn't truth. Just because you believe Egyptians were Arab doesn't mean it's true, futhermore the University of Egypt was founded by a Muslim empire. One constant throughout modern history is that the current people in charge of the education system don't usual tip their hats to the people who actually founded their history. History isn't just facts, it's context and centricism.
It's a simple exercise in logic. Egypt didn't come to Africa, it came from Africa. The symbol used in Egyptian culture can be found in hundreds of pre-existing cultures. Arabs taking sole credit for Egypt is like White people taking sole credit for America.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 3:27
>>66
Compared to northern egyptians or arabs, southern egyptians from the time they began mummification strongly resemble arabs. They would have certainly have had black ancestors, but they must have been too few and distant to cause a forensic scientist to classify them as mixed race.
Of course belief isn't truth, that is why I backed it up with facts as did the University of Cairo. Your attempt to dismiss the facts solely on the basis that the University of Cairo consists mainly of arab is racist and absurd.
Symbols are cultural. It is already well documented that Egypt had trade links along the nile.
What is your motivation for all this? You accused me of "screaming afrocentrist" earlier. Do you get called an afrocentrist a lot?
Not alot, no, but it does come up quite a bit in this discussion. Not that it particular matters or disproves any of my statements but...I have no motavation but for understanding that there should be a bit of skeptism used when considering mankind's current interpetation of history or "the facts".
I remain skeptical and unconvinced because there's really no such thing as an "arab phenotype". There are phenotypes that are asscioated with arab peoples- but how this applies our modern conception of race doesn't determine what race we would percieve ancient Egyptians to be.
You want to say they had "Arab genes" when they only had Arab Phenotypes. But that's meaningless, you see. (And subjective, like the whole concept of race) Broad noses or big lips or whatever reference points you are using doesn't mean that a person is specifically African. Just because a group of people have blue eyes doesn't mean they are "The blue eyes group" and blues eyes are solely specific to those people. A mechanism would have to indentified for that to be true, for the blue eyes (or dark skin) to constitute an entirely different "race".
Nevertheless, there is no proof that Egypt was outright dominated by what you call Arabs until the Muslim invasions. Futhermore, Egyptians don't refer to themseleves as "Arabs", really. It's a nebulous term. I'm sure the same can be said for Anicent Egyptians and Africans as well.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 15:52
>>68
I've already provided proof. You've just ignored it.
the Arabs as a culture/race are not recorded until LONG AFTER ANCIENT EGYPT. Egypt has a huge Arab influence TODAY because the muslim empire which arose in the centuries after muhammed INVADED EGYPT and as such it is now an Arab state.
ancient Egypt WAS NOT ARAB- it simply wasn't, because they were a completely different people at that time. You are simply confusing parts of history. of course modern day Egypt has massive genetic links to Arabia; that doesn't mean that it was the same some 5000 years ago. stop making completely arse statements- ancient egypt was not arab. it just wasn't. any physical resemblence between ancient egyptians and modern arabs only implies the precise opposite of what you claim- the arab 'race'/culture is something which evolved out of egypt.
if we were to follow your logic, in a 1000 years time people could go around claiming that then english were really just americans. don't be dense.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 21:03
In the past, nigger was sometimes used as a synonym for "defect." For example, the May 1886 issue of Scientific American, page 308 said, "The consequence of neglect might be that what the workmen call ‘a nigger’ would get into the armature, and burn it so as to destroy its service."
Similarly, when performing shoddy but functional work, one is said to "nigger rig it," especially when duct tape is used in place of proper equipment. It seems that this usage is taken directly from the derogatory use of the word to refer to a black person. "Nigger it up" has been used to refer to excessively gaudy, non-functional decorations to automobiles to attract attention.
The term nigger was used in lumber mills until the mid-point of the 20th century. It refers to a device that turns a log while it is being stripped of its bark. This may be an off-hand reference to the prejudicial use of the word, as until the machine was invented, this was considered a job too dangerous for anyone other than a black man.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 21:56
>>70
The word arab is frequently used to describe people who originate from the middle east. Clearly this was the intended use. Stop trying to mix up genes and culture. I believe that's what racists do at the drop of a pin.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 21:57
>>70
More specifically people with the genetic markers in people from the middle east which are less frequent elsewhere. The genes that give them jet black hair, straight noses and tanned skin.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 22:45
>>73
I thought jews were from the middle east, and turkey, is that asia minor, does that count as middle east? They are not arabs in any case. Assyrians? Pontians? Scythes? Pheonicians? All arabs?
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Anonymous2007-01-05 23:15
>>71
Use the more modern term, "afro-engineered", you racist pig.
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Anonymous2007-01-05 23:21
I use nigra
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Anonymous2007-01-05 23:35
>>74
Arabs and Jews are both semitic. Perhaps "semitic" would be a better word, but "arab" is more popular.
Judaism is semiticism, idiot. Hate to break this to you but the only Jews who have concrete genetic markers are Ashkanazai Jews and they are far from the Jewish Majority. With this in mind, Jew is not a race.
Wrong. You provided nothing. Links or Excerpts from scientific journals would be nice; no one here is just going to take your word for it. Saying the words "Universty of Cairo" aren't going to cut it. Sorry, but you fail.
Wow, instead of refuting his claims you respond by calling him a racist and follow it up by once again exposing the fact that you don't understand the nature of phenotypes. They are irrelevant. You aren't proving anything by saying "Straight noses and Jet black hair, tanned skin". The Ameri-Indian, the Eskimo, Mongoloid, and yes even some black fit into this phenotype. This doesn't prove that Ancient Egyptians were arab. "Arabs" didn't exist until AFTER Egypt, so there is no way that Ancient Egyptians were Arab, you fucken moron.
This is getting old, guys.
Shit or get off the pot.
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Anonymous2007-01-06 7:57
>>63
"What we refer to as 'racial' pride is really 'cultural' pride."
If that were true, then there is absolutely no reason to say that it is improper for a white person to be proud of his 'culture' ("WHITE PRIDE"), while simultaneously saying it is proper for a black person to be proud of his 'culture' ("BLACK PRIDE").
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Anonymous2007-01-06 8:03
>>80
"white" has no culture. There are so many of us that we don't have a culture. Jews have a culture, whites from individual countries may have a culture, other small religions like mormonism have a culture, but all whites together do not have a culture. The thing thats improper about saying white pride is 99% of the time it is just thinly veiled white nationalism which is thinly veiled white supremacy.
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Ozzy2007-01-06 11:40
Pride imo is neither a source of pride or shame, but rather a random outcome of life. You should be proud of your charachter, not your color or background. Becase sure, you're father may have been a great author, but if you waste your life, it doesn't make up for it because you're his offspring.
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Anonymous2007-01-07 1:07
>>79
To be quite honest I can't be botherred to get any links for you. Take it up with the university of Cairo, point out the fact that they are arabs and use that to back up your little theory that they must be being racist.