"Civil unions". Name's a gimmick to appease teh conservatives. w00t for the fags and dykes and girly-mans and ladyboys and bippies and Amber-chans, and Ranma 0.5 and the butt thumpers and Xena worshippers!
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Anonymous2006-12-22 14:45
Civil Unions are what the democratic party wants legalize, the only party who is for gay marriage is the Libertarian Party
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Anonymous2006-12-22 22:03
That's a transitional step. Libertarians are opposed to gay marriage because they're opposed to government licensing of marriage in the first place.
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Anonymous2006-12-23 2:07
>>2
Dead wrong, flip and reverse that. Libertarians are totally against state sponsored marriage in the first place. Any libertarian that can justify gay marriage to be correct belongs in the democrat party not the libertarian. Hell im even against civil unions for any gender, what’s the point of these policys? Can someone explain? Do me and my gf really need sanction from the state to spend our lives together? If no, why even have them? Im totally baffled when i take a look at these policys and dont understand why anyone pushes them in any form
Yeah, it makes less work for the bureaucrats when they come to steal your shit.
Which is something else that libertarians are opposed to.
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Anonymous2006-12-23 20:31
>>5
then whats the point of tax benefits tied to companionship DU DUH DUR
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Anonymous2006-12-23 23:14
>>4
thanks for proving my point, Libertarians are against state sponsored marriage, that means anyone can declare them selfs married
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Anonymous2006-12-23 23:22
>>8
No it doesn’t, sure they can declare it but they won’t actually be married. Marriage is a religious ceremony; unless you take part in it you’re not truly married. If the church supported gay marriage then I guess it would be different, but they definitely do not and will not marry gays without the government forcing them to. If marriage was a state created idea then I would concede to your point, but it isn’t. Marriage is government supported, not created
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Anonymous2006-12-23 23:25
>>9
Wrong. Homosexuals will flock to religions that allow gay marriage and will marry them. When religions which discriminate against gays see they are losing profit they will change the law to permit gay marriage. The free market economy will sort itself out.
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Ha-ha not a chance, if a catholic (or any other) church accepted gay marriage against the bibles (or any other doctrine) teachings what do you think would happen? Woops 90% drop in public support. I think (or hope) religion is starting to subside and I don’t foresee a new religion with any kind of following popping up soon (in before scientology) so the possibility of a new gay friendly church is limited. Any company or group of people that operate in the realm of dogma do not follow the same logic other people do in a free market system. Without government im willing to bet the major religions would have a very hard time surviving
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No. If there is a sizeable demand in a free market, such as the gay community, then there will be people trying to make a profit from it. There are in fact religions that permit gay marriage which proves I am correct. Unless of course there are any paranoid ludicrous conspiracy theories you would like to share.
Here is the proof by the way. www.google.com
Look for it yourself you lazy piece of shit.
P.S. Discussion over.
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Anonymous2006-12-24 3:16
>>12
There are already gay friendly churches in America. My church (lutheran) has lots of openly gay couples and they support gay marriage. Since churches are private institutions they each have to power to have any views they want, therefore there will always be some that break away from the religions "normal" stance on an issue.
Marriage should be left up to the church/mosque/temple/synagouge/whatever, and the government should affirm this status legally and give the necessary legal advantages etc. All that should be needed to grant marital status should be two legal documents with the respective signatures of the two people getting married, and of the third person who married them. This would take religion and marriage out of government, while not forcing churches to marry homosexuals.
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Anonymous2006-12-25 17:11
>>13
You fucking fail for thinking churches behave like markets.
Compare apples to oranges some more, it makes you look like a pseudo-intellectual.
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Anonymous2006-12-26 14:45
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You fail for being too stupid to see the similarity between religion and the free-market.
If a company exposes apples to peanuts and you are allergic to peanuts you won't buy apples from that company. Likewise if a religion doesn't allow gay marriage and you are gay you won't join that religion.
Prove you are a decent human being and admit you are wrong.
"If a company exposes apples to peanuts and you are allergic to peanuts you won't buy apples from that company."
and...
"Likewise if a religion doesn't allow gay marriage and you are gay you won't join that religion.".
The similarity being that if services or goods are less desirable or pointless to a customer they will not demand them. As you can see my argument is logical and holds a point and not "retarded". I would go so far as to say that your failure to understand such a simple argument defines you as retarded.
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Anonymous2006-12-27 7:19
STFU and let people get married under god till death do they part blah blah blah
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Anonymous2006-12-31 19:14
I'm a libertarian and dislike all state sponsored marriage. If someone desires to get 'married', let them get such certificates from their churches, etc. Instead the gvmt should only support civil unions, which would include the union of a man + woman, man + man, woman + woman.
I agree. The problem is that theistic societies look down upon unmarried individuals living, fornicating, and raising children together. Restricting government involvement to secular civil unions is a good first step in fixing this, but at some point in the future I would like civil unions to be abolished as well.
Basically, if you want to live in the same house as someone, have some kids, do whatever, it’s not my business. If you do this you are not entitled to a tax break, or special provisions/privileges.
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Anonymous2007-01-01 21:09
what the matter you don't believe in equality.
you seem to be hiding a hateful message
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Anonymous2007-01-01 21:17
>>20
I came to the conclusion two things will happen to marriage
1.gay marriage is allowed
2.state and government marriage is abolished
you can either give it to them or take it from everyone. And this is only about religion, and thought that USA was founded on separation of church and state