I'm asking in all seriousness, I want to know just what the fuck is up with the Jews and the people who hate them.
Why exactly do they care about one shitty piece of land with absolutely no natural resources so much? If they really believe God created the entire world then any piece of land should be just as holy as any other, promised or not.
Why are there so many nations that refuse to accept that Isreal exists or has a right to exist? Really, why the fuck do they even care? If it's about the 'holy land' that has absolutely no value whatesoever then they can go fuck themselves. If it's something else, please explain.
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Is correct. All you need to do is look in a history book to see why people hate jews.
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Anonymous2006-12-01 16:44
>>1 "Why exactly do they care about one shitty piece of land with absolutely no natural resources so much? If they really believe God created the entire world then any piece of land should be just as holy as any other, promised or not."
That question applies equally to the Jews as well as the Arabs.
>>1 "Why are there so many nations that refuse to accept that Isreal exists or has a right to exist? Really, why the fuck do they even care?"
Read the history of Jewish immigration into Palestine and the history of the breakup of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Basically the extremely shortened version of the situation is that the British were the governing force in the Middle East after WW1. In their colonial zeal, they naturally sought to use their military power in the region to their advantage. When Zionist organizations begin to heavily push the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, the British handled the situation very poorly, allowing Jews to move into the region without regard for the Palestinians who also lived there. As time went by, a cancer developed, as the Palestinians and Arabs strongly resented Jewish incursion, especially as it was backed up by enormous monetary support and the military support of the British. Then in 1948, following WW2 and the Holocaust, the British no longer wanted to, or even could, handle the growing problems in the region. The United Nations implemented a "quick fix" by declaring an Israeli state. Their solution was very shortsighted, and no one was happy with the borders they proposed. War followed and has persisted ever since.
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Anonymous2006-12-01 16:54
Oh, and to address the 'holy land' question: Yes, it is an important factor, mostly because religion is a vital part of the Jewish and Arab cultures. It isn't, however, the only factor.
Try to understand it by analogy. Assuming you're American, let's say you live in Southern California and you're just barely making a living. Now let's say the Mexican immigrants in Southern California are actually enormously wealthy and want to live in California because it used to be a part of Mexico 200 years ago before the Americans came. Now let's say the U.S. government doesn't particularly like you, allows these immigrants to buy up all your farmland, kicks you off your farm because you were technically just renting it from the U.S., and then the UN comes and says the Mexicans might as well just have the whole southern half of California even though they make up only about 30% of the population.
Wouldn't you be pissed off? Maybe that doesn't excuse the actions of the Palestinians and other Arab nations, but I hope that helps you understand the situation somewhat better.
Judaism was an outsider religion since the days of its advent. It was a monotheistic tribe in a sea of polytheistic tribes, so it was easy to single out.
Fast forward thousands of years and you see Jews among the highest of higher-ups. People not in that position of power often get jealous. Plus, that whole Israel thing. You know.
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Anonymous2006-12-01 23:46
that sterotype has been proven wrong many times. try again.
jew haters have come up with a bunch of tall tales to justify persecution. In the end it amounts to nothing more then pure hate and stupidity
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Anonymous2006-12-02 0:31
>>7
I thought you supported Israel? Is this a change?
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Anonymous2006-12-02 2:28
>>Wouldn't you be pissed off?
but would I go explode Mexican kids on buses? Fire rockets into the cities that Mexicans built? Burn down forests that Mexicans planted?
Well... maybe.
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Matt!unpAtbdoyA2006-12-02 18:47
Orthodox jews are smelly and rude.
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Anonymous2006-12-02 23:41
Jews aren't superior or anything, it's just that all the fucked up jews went to Israel whilst the civilised and education valuing jews stayed in america and now disproportionately occupy our securities services. Oh and after the puritans and some nice indians built american civilisation some jews came along and the puritans were like ZOMG JEWS AWESOME U R IN TEH BIBLE or something. The US government consists mainly of WASPS jews and injuns.
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The Wanker2006-12-03 5:00
Its cause they got big noses. Its a great reason to hate an entire race.
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Anonymous2006-12-04 2:46
Y'all get it wrong. Heck, even the Bible gets it wrong. As far as archaeology is aware, civilization in Israel started with various assorted Bronze Age villages, nomads, and an Egyptian outpost (Megiddo, the famous Armageddon) or two. Egypt didn't hold onto the Levant all that long. (The Bible mentions the Hebrews being slaves in Egypt for a few centuries; in any case, other histories are rather lacking in mention, but Megiddo is known to have been abandoned.) Meanwhile, the Bible also refers to the first Patriarch (Abraham) as having set up a tabernacle and a camp in Hebron (not too far from Cana'anite Asherah and Ba'al worshippers, as it turns out, although I think the Bible let out that detail) and somehow, out of this quagmire, the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah arose, with Cana'anites and Phoenicians (which were Cana'anites by a different name) living near the sea and Israelites (ancestors of many, although not necessarily all, Jews) living inland. Israel was a small and wimpy country at the crossroads of mighty empires, and it might have wound up a historical footnote had not someone had the bright idea of codifying the Israelites' mythology into a book or two, and then ensuring that everyone remembered and followed it. As it was, the land got overrun by Babylonians, Syrian-Greeks, and Romans, who occupied the land.
This is when the second major reason for all the current uproar over Israel came about, as well as the main reason for others hating Jews to begin with. Someone by the name of Yeshua, later rendered "Jesus" in Greek, talked up a storm with various Jewish sectarian notions that apparently pissed off the establishment (especially when he made a scene in Jerusalem), whereupon the Jewish authorities decided this Jewish sectarian was trouble and the Romans agreed. So the Romans hung him up on a cross, and a new religion was begotten. Jewish Christians got into a spat with other Jews because the others preferred to follow tradition, and they carried this quarrel to other lands. Shortly after, Jews got into a quarrel with Rome over the deification of emperors, which led to the Temple set afire and Jews getting kicked out of Jerusalem (and helping to expand the already-present Jewish Diaspora in the process). Judaism never forgot where it began, however: in Israel and vicinity.
St. Paul and the Apostles, meanwhile, took Jewish stories and mixed them with pagan stories and then vigorously advertised, among other things, the land of Israel (however inadvertently they did so). Eventually, Jewish and Christian stories made their way down to Araby, and so Muhammad of the Quraish tribe heard of their tales, adopting them into his new religion. Islam took over the land of Israel: an act which was just asking for trouble from Christians. So Crusaders came over, killing Jews on the ground that they "killed Christ", even though the original executioners were long gone and buried themselves. They looted Jerusalem and committed atrocities. So Muslims harbored a deep hatred of "Crusaders" from that point on - including Jews trying to take back their land, a hatred that Nazi Germany was all too eager to stoke in the 1940s.
Oh yeah, the British DID blunder in the 20th century occupation of "Palestine". They couldn't help it. The Arabs and Jews had clashing desires: the Arabs didn't want their land taken, the Jews wanted their land back, and both groups had practically the same land in mind. So the British essentially banned Jewish immigration. (That's right: ships with Zionists coming to Israel were fired upon and their passengers sent to Cyprus in detention camps, at least in the immediately post-WWII years.) Furthermore, the Jews were so harrowed by their encounter with the Nazis - and other countries' refusal to let Jewish refugees in - that they vowed to build their own country, defend it, and let any Jew in that wanted in. So they did so, and that's what this current nonsense is about.
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Xel2006-12-04 3:11
>>17 This thread was supposed to be about nazi jokes and edgy "jews suck lol" banter. Now you come with your sensible writing and empirical facts - YOU Suuuuck BOOOOO!
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Anonymous2006-12-04 3:28
>>17
Archaeology shows the remains of permanent settlements in today's northern Turkey as early as 10000 BC. The organisation needed to support the large communities there suggests that as far as we have hitherto seen civilisation occurred in northern Turkey as early as 10000 BC.
People hate jews because they are the bane of a good, cultured and moral society...QED
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Anonymous2006-12-09 20:04
>>17
I always found it sort of sad that, if the arabs wand jews would have come to some tolerant agreement to share theland, they would have probably beifited off the jews coming into the area