ancient civilisations and empires in history

let's list 'em.
off the top of my head, there's ancient greece (philosophy! sculpture! tragedy!), rome (gladiators), the byzantine empire/constantinople (mosaics, awesome architecture), ancient india (uh.. elephants?), ancient egypt (pyramids and papyrus!) .. ancient china (vases, funny hats and robes), feudal japan (ninjas)

am I missing any? add please.

>>160
Of course he is, he's a fucking White Man born into a good family who has never known hunger, despair, infirmity, or loss and thinks that his skill at popping out of his mom's Vagina is justification for him to bitch out those less fortunate than he is.

>>161
So all "White Men" are born into good families who have never known hunger, despair, infirmity, or loss? And all black men have? Fuck off, racist.

>>162

No, idiot. Use your brain. Obviously we're not refer to ALL white people- this is a stupid argument used to distract from the fact that white priveledge exists. When compared to other races there is an institutionalized disparity when it comes to money and education, generally speaking.

>>163
If there is, how about instead of whipping up paranoia in blacks and whites and causing divisions with this heavy handed affirmative action nonsense and just try to increase funding and the efficiency of current civil rights legislation?

Your argument is completely against reason. From one black guy who has experienced racism and has been denied opportunities to another, I ask you to have a good read of this quote here..

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Cowardice asks the question, "Is it safe?" Expediency asks the question, "Is it politic?" And Vanity comes along and asks the question, "Is it popular?" But Conscience asks the question "Is it right?" And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right.
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>>163
If your aren't referring to all white people explain how you know he is "a fucking White Man born into a good family who has never known hunger, despair, infirmity, or loss". I see no where where he stated this, so you must be assuming it because he is white, which is racist.

>>163
So...  Why do asians and MEXICANS (of all people) do better than the blacks?  OMG IT'S ASIAN PRIVILEDGE!  Asians fucking do better than whites on average also.  Does the white man artificially elevate them above himself?

>>164

You're not black, this is proven by the fact that only a white person- deeply emmersed in white privledge would consider affirmative action to be "heavy handed". Why do I have to keep repeating myself here? Considering the *current* disparity between corelative race-class amongs blacks and whites, affirmative action isn't heavy handed. As a matter of fact it doesn't even begin to address 30% of that disparity.

White priviledge, it seems, is just the priviledge of being more wealthy on average than black people.  It makes sense, in a way, for you to say that you deserve some sort of kickback for generations of poverty.  It must be infuriating that thousands of people you see every day were born into wealthier families, who were wealthier seemingly just because those families are white.  Sure, I can understand that.  I can understand why you want to act like there's a conspiracy to keep the black man down when in reality it's just the state of affairs, fate and all that, that's conspired against you.

You can scream at me that I wasn't born into your class all you want, that you deserve some of what I have because of that.  My ancestors were immigrant factory workers (not as low as the black people in that era, but still pretty low) exploited like hell by industrialists.  Today's rich people have what they have by my ancestor's labor.  Yet I would be laughed back to hell if I went and tried to put a claim on some of that wealth; I wasn't born into one of those families.  Oh poor me.

When it comes down to it, we have to make what we can out of what we have.  The future can only get better when you build it yourself.  There will always be someone who takes more than others, but you can't blame their kids for that.  I honestly believe that you gain by the hardships you go through, become better, stronger by it. 

I don't think you can say that you never learned anything from living the way you imply you did.

Children from broken homes do better in the business world, are better able to cope with changing situations because their homelife was that way growing up; they know how to function under stress.  Kids born rich, with few exceptions, usually end up wasting their fortunes within a few generations, and produce nothing of value.  Even if you don't become rich, you still have the ability to find happiness.  Parlay your experiences into your future.

>>167
It's rich and poor, idiot, not black and white.

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Again: You only say as a privledged white person. And you're going to keep running into that wall until the general statistical disparty nears.

Hay guyz, I'm a non-priviledged somethingorother person. No matter what arguments you come up with, it doesn't matter. All that matters is my lack of priviledge. That's the answer to everything.

Person who replies to this is a conspiracy nut.

>>168

This is the most rediculous and far reaching argument in the history of arguments. Your reply has been "White man's" reply to minorities for the last 3 or 4 centuries. I have to admit, you were smart enough to play this bullshit game in the first place and I conmend you on your ability to keep it up this long. But it's over now.

Sorry.

Your reply is thus: "Don't worry about being rich, successful or powerful. We'll take care it. You'll be happy; you'll see."

"Don't worry about who's shaping your future. It's us. Oh yeah; and also God and your dead big brother who died in Iraq."

We understand that "the future can only get better when you build it yourself"--- and we're saying that white privaledge is systematically preventing minorities from aquiring the proper building materials to secure that future. The problem is that you want to control the future. That actually may have been possible during colonization, but then around 1940 or so the most radical thing happened: You lost control of modernization. You lost control of civilization. Don't be surprised, because civilization isn't something any one race of people can handle by themselves anyway. 

Basically what "white man" asserts is that we continue to comply with his rape. From the first crusade it has been this way. And now you're doing the same thing here- trying to sell to me that it's wrong to have an advantage over people who have more advantages than you do (white people) . Double Think is a method of brain washing. And your reply presents to us the two options what we can agree to simultaneously for purposes of self-indoctrinazation. Anyone who requires a brain washing method to confuse and sublimate isn't out for my best interests and is probably taking advantage of me.

So to uphold what "white man" saying is "right", I am to remain subservient and not expect the same advantages that he lords over us.

It's not a matter of perception that whites control a majority of the wealth. It's a fact. It's not politics. It's statistics.

Get it right.

>>167
I've already crushed that argument. Here are my 2 main points again.

1: The state of not being discriminated against is a right, not a priviledge.
2: Race is an irrelevant demographic.

Race is an irrelevant demographic therefore any program which helps only poor black people and taxes only non-black people is pointless. The only solution to this problem is to prevent discrimination by enforcing justice.

"You're not black, this is proven by the fact that only a white person- deeply emmersed in white privledge would consider affirmative action to be "heavy handed"."
Wrong. I am simply a black person who prefers a leg up to a hand out. Something you shit for brain RACIST statist liberals can't get your head around.

>>174

You aren't black and read >>173

>>175
Don't just tell me to read another post. Have the common courtesy to at least type out a sentence explaining your point like I do.

>>173
The crusades were a fucking joke.  They were a ragtag band of religious nuts who wanted Jerusalem to themselves.  Europe didn't give a shit about them, and they were beat back almost every time.  That's just an example of tribal stupidity, my god's better than yours, if anything.  It's not systematic oppression, and DEFINATELY not oppression of black people. 

Also, you keep on asserting that it's white people who are panicing over losing power, when if you were a REAL conspiracy nut, you'd be saying it's the Jews.

I bet if we could peel back the veil of anonymity, we would find out that >>176 is actually a black man, that >>175 is a white troll, and that >>132 is fucking Japanese.

>>178
I bet if we could peel back the veil of anonymity, we would find out that >>176 is actually a white troll, that >>175 is a black troll, and that >>132 is fucking Japanese troll.*

fix'd

>>178
I bet if we could peel back the veil of anonymity, we would find out that >>176 is actually a white troll, that >>175 is a black troll, and that >>132 is fucking weeaboo troll.*

oops that what i ment lol fix'd etc..

>>177

I'm talking about the systematic oppression of all non-whites. God, Country, Progress, there's always been some new excuse when it comes to whites threating others like they are naturally inferior.

>>176

No. The point I'm making [b]is[/i] >>173. So read it, and respond without repeating your shit argument over and over or there's always option "B" of GTFO.

>>177

Zionist Jews are for all intensive purposes, white, in that they have the same goal of treating non-ethnic Jews like cattle.

>>178

I know for a fact that >>174 isn't black because he sounds like some other idiotic poster on here that keeps uttering the phrase "statist liberals". That's bullocks. I, an actual black man, knows that "statist liberals" are only a part of a bigger issue of race in this country. Basically, the guy sounds too much like other posters here for me to believe that he's some semi-conservative, libertarian black dude. It's laughable that he would even try to pull something like this.

anti-chan wins another race thread

>>182
anti-chan

>>181
Well say it then.

Say "Because a few white people are racist, all whites must pay.".

Also stop being a pussy and say it to a white man's face.

>>184

I'm sick of fucking repeating myself. This doesn't have to do with ALL white people. Just those that continue to defend and support white priveledge. Affirmative Action gives a small advantage to blacks in a world where whites recieve 90% of the advatages.

>>183

No, *I* am anti-chan. The real anti-chan doesn't have to trumpet his victory. They are a constant and most of you are mealy mouth mongoloid morons who, in my world, wouldn't even be allowed an opinion because you're too fucking stupid.

>>185
fuck you nigger

>>185
"I'm sick of fucking repeating myself. This doesn't have to do with ALL white people. Just those that continue to defend and support white priveledge. Affirmative Action gives a small advantage to blacks in a world where whites recieve 90% of the advatages."

I've repeated this argument 9 times already.

Not all whites are over priviledged and not all blacks are under priviledged. Affirmative action would be heavy handed because the poor white family will have to pay more tax and wobn't get the same benefits and opportunities as the poor black family next door. They both had a hard time and "white priviledge" or not the white family isn't going to be able to pay for their kids to go to college. If you were truly not racist you wouldn't support this stupid bullshit.

IF you want to end "white priviledge" and all forms of racism you support meritocracy and civil rights.

If you want to help the underpriviledged you support welfare for children (and children only), a few small programs to help to homeless and inform people about adult education and support meritocracy.

"They are a constant and most of you are mealy mouth mongoloid morons who, in my world, wouldn't even be allowed an opinion because you're too fucking stupid."
Don't you think a "mongoloid" might take offense to that? Racist.

>>187

I've repeated this argument 9 times already.
No shit? And you've been wrong 9 times already, as well, dumbass.
"Not all whites are over priviledged and not all blacks are under priviledged. Affirmative action would be heavy handed because the poor white family will have to pay more tax and wobn't get the same benefits and opportunities as the poor black family next door. They both had a hard time and "white priviledge" or not the white family isn't going to be able to pay for their kids to go to college. If you were truly not racist you wouldn't support this stupid bullshit.
What you keep ignoring is the part where a majority of whites in this country are systematically better off financially than a majority of the blacks. Whites have always had an obvious advantage over blacks (and non-whites) in this country due to events in history. This is STATISTICAL FACT. Not Heresay. Not opinion.
Secondly, the poor white family will not have to pay more tax than anyone else, that's just straight up BULLSHIT. Taxes aren't even an issue You just fail at American Taxation.
Thirdly, I look at it like this: Either help 90% of the American black population with this one small advantage (while whites still have so many other advantages)
OR.
Don't help, because you want to protect 10% of the white population.
You can't help both, so you help the one with the greatest amount of disparity thrown in it's direction. So get this: helping a minority of the white population over the black population makes you a fucking racist.
"IF you want to end "white priviledge" and all forms of racism you support meritocracy and civil rights.
I do support meritocracy and civil rights. Affrimative action falls under this line.

P.S

You're the dumbest piece of shit to ever grace these forums. Congrats! You win at failure.

>>188

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I've repeated this argument 9 times already.

No shit? And you've been wrong 9 times already, as well, dumbass.

"Not all whites are over priviledged and not all blacks are under priviledged. Affirmative action would be heavy handed because the poor white family will have to pay more tax and wobn't get the same benefits and opportunities as the poor black family next door. They both had a hard time and "white priviledge" or not the white family isn't going to be able to pay for their kids to go to college. If you were truly not racist you wouldn't support this stupid bullshit.

What you keep ignoring is the part where a majority of whites in this country are systematically better off financially than a majority of the blacks. Whites have always had an obvious advantage over blacks (and non-whites) in this country due to events in history. This is STATISTICAL FACT. Not Heresay. Not opinion.

Secondly, the poor white family will not have to pay more tax than anyone else, that's just straight up BULLSHIT. Taxes aren't even an issue You just fail at American Taxation.

Thirdly, I look at it like this: Either help 90% of the American black population with this one small advantage (while whites still have so many other advantages)

OR.

Don't help, because you want to protect 10% of the white population.

You can't help both, so you help the one with the greatest amount of disparity thrown in it's direction. So get this: helping a minority of the white population over the black population makes you a fucking racist.

"IF you want to end "white priviledge" and all forms of racism you support meritocracy and civil rights.

I do support meritocracy and civil rights. Affrimative action falls under this line.

P.S

You're the dumbest piece of shit to ever grace these forums. Congrats! You win at failure.

>>189

And another thing.

90% of poor whites in America make up 90% of the racist in this country. So FUCK THEM.

>>188
I don't get it, what's your argument?? All you do is keep on repeating your argument. Sure I agree with the facts, whites on aaverage are richer than black people. However that's just it, an average, not ALL white people are richer than the average black person. Thus affirmative action would inevitably discriminate against under priviledged whites and pointless benefit already priviledged black people. It is only logical to say any person who has been denied rights, whether they are black or white, should receive compensation. RACE IS IRRELEVANT.

You might have noticed now, but this is the entire jist of my argument. RACE IS IRRELEVANT. Why don't you get this: I WANT TO HELP ALL PEOPLE DENIED RIGHTS REGARDLESS OF RACE. Even the NAACP have a statement at the front of their site saying they want to help all poor people regardless of race. How on earth am I racist?

You're a supposed anti-racist you cannot even fathom the simplest mathematical principle which proves that generalisation is illogical. Obviously your gradeschool math teacher missed out on something big time...

>>190 im poor, im white, but im not raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>190 im rich, im white, but im not raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>190 im poor, im black, but im not raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>190 im poor, im white, but im raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>190 im rich, im black, but im not raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>190 im rich, im white, but im raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>190 im rich, im black, but im not raceist so... FUCK YOU!

>>191

You lose. You just generally can't out argue my points. That's why you keep repeating yourself, you're just too dumb to grasp what I'm saying. ---It doesn't matter if YOU think "RACE IS IRRELEVANT", it doesn't matter one fucking bit that *I* think "RACE IS IRRELEVANT".

There's not enough of us yet, so pretending that we can exist in some raceless meritocracy right now at *this* point in human history is a childish dream. Look how fucking deluded your thought process is:

1. Thus affirmative action would inevitably discriminate against under priviledged whites and pointless benefit already priviledged black people.

Ok, so how again, are blacks "already privileged"? That's a racist statement based in IGNORACE. Looking the distribution of wealth in this country and the race-based statistics proves otherwise, so where are you pulling this shit from? Your gut? Do you just have a "gut feeling" that blacks are privileged, so you assume it's true? The only privelge blacks have is Affirmative Action and this is not a big deal compared to the hundreds of other priveleges that come with merely being born white.

2. "I WANT TO HELP ALL PEOPLE DENIED RIGHTS REGARDLESS OF RACE"

That's great! Really it is! But *in this case* you can only help a majority of the black population (poor) or a MINORITY of the white population (poor). You cannot help both at the same time, here. Sorry, you've got to make a CHOICE. If you truly want to help people denied of rights you would help those MOST effected and you would do work that would be EFFECTIVE.

Understand, that there is no way around this: Chosing to help a minority of whites over a majority of blacks is inherantly RACIST and DEFENDS white privilege. <=== This is why you fail.

3. "You're a supposed anti-racist you cannot even fathom the simplest mathematical principle which proves that generalisation is illogical.

No, I clearly understand that generalisation is illogical. And yet, it persists. It doesn't matter what *we* believe, THEY believe it, so we (along with a majority of the black population) WILL BE AFFECTED.

Everyone is always talking about how white people enslaved the blacks and I just wanted to point out that it was their fellow blacks who sold them to the whites in the first place. And yes there is racism all over the world but its also aganist white people, not just black, or whoever. Most white people in this country are scared to even say the word black but for being accused of being fucking racist. NO whites can't do anything to pay anyone back for what our ANCESTORS have done. I'm a white, middle class person whose family has to choose whether or not to buy food or pay the bills. I will admit that one of my multi-great grandfathers was General Wade Hampton who fought for the Confederacy. But another multi-great grandfather was an American Indian CHIEF. Don't go harping on about your ANCESTORS being slaves and how white people hold you down. YOUR ANCESTORS DIDN'T LIVE IN THE FREE UNITED STATES LIKE WE DO NOW, HERE YOU CHOOSE HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE, YOU MAKE OPPURTUNITIES FOR YOURSELF. I also live in Texas where whites are quickly becoming a minority and english is losing ground, I don't really care if somebody comes over and wants to live a new life with better oppurtunities. But there have been times when it really pisses me off that the people who come here don't want to be here for America and just want free money or whatever. They want what we can give them but still want to live in Mexico. If you want it that bad, go live in Mexico and change it. There is also the jobs, there was this ONE company, just ONE mind you where on the day when they deported 200 workers, the 200 spots were already filled up. And the companies just want the illegals to pay cheap.