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Might Makes Right

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-22 21:32

This is the underlying principle of the world.  Whether it be a moncarchy, republic, democracy, fascism, communism, or any other -ism, all forms of government rely on this precept for its source of power and existence.

That being so, what makes one form of might more legitimate than another?  Or are they all equal?

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-22 21:50

"Legitimacy" must be measured from a utilitarian perspective.  The happier the population (and the future population!), the more "legitimate" the government.

In other words, might does not make right.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-23 3:50

Well, if the population is more or less self-governing, and they are electing their own leaders, and are mostly free, I think this is the best form of society.  Libertarianism ftw.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 3:01

>>2
The majority of people do NOT know what is best for mankind. The educated, rich, motivated and enlightened; the "top tier" have the power, and they use that power to shape society.
Its Natural selection.
Happiness has nothing to do with it.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 3:06

>>4
So an aristocracy would be the best government?  Plato's version of course, not feudal lords.

Name: elme 2006-08-26 3:12

>>4

Name: elme 2006-08-26 3:24

>>4


Completely disagree that might makes right.  There is an innate truth, beauty, and .....right.....  in the universe.  Might currently is based primarily on money in the realm of political, social, and economic control of nations.

That can be changed.  In fact it is long overdue for change.  Some people recognized as long ago as the 1960's the inherent conflict between money and technology.  (Gerard Piel, former editor of "Scientific American" magazine being one of them)

The inherent conflict -CATCH-22-Technology is capable of creating abundance/Money is based on scarcity.  Ever since the Great Depression; overabundant production of food; paying farmers not to grow food - when the world 1st ran into that conflict/catch-22 we have lived within a system of, more or less, "balanced" artifically created scarcities.

So, why can't humans all over the planet have all the necessities of life, and even many niceties - in abundance?  Because we have money.  Money was invented during scarcity.  Money doesn't work without scarcity.

Obvious solution - INVENT NEW ABUNDANCE BASED ECONOMICS/MONEY.
(a not so easy job to either invent or implement).

Encouraging development:  Zero Point Energy which can tap into a limitless supply of the electrical energy inherent at every point in the univers.

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 3:30

>>7
wtf?

Name: Anonymous 2006-08-26 5:44

>>4
That also doesn't mean the "elite" know what's best for society either. In populist governments power is purposely given to the people by allowing them voting, freedom of association, freedom to get rich and, sometimes, freedom to have arms. Never before in history of man has the "ordinary" person so much weight in free societies.

Stop quoting natural selection. You don't know natural selection. Nobody does.

Name: Khorne Berzerker 2006-08-27 0:40

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Name: Anonymous 2006-08-27 2:34

Why do people who use names always come up with the stupidest bullshit imaginable? I guess they have psychological problems and need to boost their ego or something.
>>7
There isn't an infinite supply of everything and when there is enough to satisfy everyone, the producing power is used to create less higher quality goods or the population grows to fit the supply. Stop mixing up causes and effects, money is an approximation of the value of goods and services not the other way round.

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