A Look at the Radical Left

Just how radical are they?

"I am suggesting a nearly complete rejection of gender roles and the ensuing demands for cosmetical and behavioral conformity."

Essentially, do away with our current concept of family.

Consider this person's views on abortion: 



"kill kill kill chop chop chop vacuum vacuum vacuum silentshout silentshout silentshout dumplings dumplings dumplings."

"Abort more foetuses. As many as women deem neccesary. And then when we've sucked the stem cells out of them, put them in water balloons and throw them at the teary-eyed waste of human components that try to harm the practice. Death death death vacuum vacuum vacuum."


It isn't hard to not have abortions.  Just use some fucking birth control.  There's so many ways to do it, condoms are just one. 

>>1

"kill kill kill chop chop chop vacuum vacuum vacuum silentshout silentshout silentshout dumplings dumplings dumplings."

Unbelievably sick beyond words. 

>>1 "Essentially, do away with our current concept of family." Um, no. This is why I shy from the moral right - they say you can't have one without it's more useless and negative side-effect. I don't want to turn women into men and v.v., I just think we are born as males and females and are then insiduously coerced into men and women, and I don't like that. Different roles, but equal power? That isn't the basis of a stable or philosophically legitimate society, that's in the Qu'ran. You can't have gender roles and gender equality at the same time, and you can't have a lack of abortions and people who support abortions until you have a society with adequate gender equality. I reject gender roles, am a feminist and try to remind people of the tiny structures that push the genders apart and make us inflexible. You, on the other hand, are asking for something you do not deserve. Collective responsibility.
>>2 "Unbelievably sick beyond words." I actually consider the accumulated oppression of all the world's women to be a greater shame of humanity than the 50 million or so lumps of meat that has a mere sliver of conscience. Once again, suck them out, experiment on their tissue and use the remainders for crop irrigation, special effects in Hellraiser 9 and objet d'arts. I ACTUALLY WILL NOT CARE. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have jews to yell "NAZIS" at and muslim terrorists to pity, emphatize with and generally be postmodern to. We'll have lattes together.

>>3
Take note:  he referrs to developing human beings as "lumps of meat".

>>4 Indeed I do, and I realize that all beings in a country are partially responsible for every abortion occuring within their borders. Until they try to get away with the factors that cause abortions, they can go-have-the-missionary-that-one-time-after-the-wedding-under-the-blankets-and-with-severe-penance and-hot-showers-afterwards themselves. I am technically a lump of meat, having roughly the same construction as the animals whosse tissues I enjoy munching down with a rosemary marinade, rocket with mozzarella and potatoes in some delicious iteration.

"I stand for the liquifying and rejection of defenseless humans. So sic that cognitively challenged evangelical of yours at me."

-Xel

"Now, if you'll excuse me, I have jews to yell "NAZIS" at and muslim terrorists to pity, emphatize with and generally be postmodern to."

I hope the jew you yell nazi at kicks you in the balls and the terrorist takes you hostage and decapitates you after 3 weeks.

>>7
P.S. This quote proves that the left have a lot in common with all forms of totalitarianism, whether they are labelled left or right.

>>1
>It isn't hard to not have abortions.  Just use some fucking birth control.  There's so many ways to do it, condoms are just one.

How's that your problem? Because you made up some idiot definition of human life so you can shove the bible down people's throats?

GTFO you fucktard. If you don't want to have abortions, don't have them.

>>9
LOL, yeah, people who are pro-life must be Christians wanting to "shove the bible down people's throats".

Sure, a lot of pro-lifers are super religious, but outside of that, what the hell does it have to do with it? 

I'm pro-life because abortion is partial murder.  The fetus' life is not more important than the mothers, and not as important either.  However, when the mother got pregnant, she entered a 'contract' to harbor that fetus until birth.  If she doesn't want to do this, she should have used birth control. 

If she was too god damn irresponsible to use birth control, well  she can just have the baby and let it be adopted or something.

"GTFO you fucktard. If you don't want to have abortions, don't have them."

Way to go.  That's like saying "if you don't want murder, don't murder".  There's a reason we have laws, you know. 

>>10
>because abortion is partial murder.

No. Just because you say it is doesn't mean it is.

>However, when the mother got pregnant, she entered a 'contract' to harbor that fetus until birth.

No she didn't. What kind of retarded argument is that? Who did she enter a contract with? God?

>If she doesn't want to do this, she should have used birth control.

Or she could get an abortion and you could move on with your own life instead of messing with other people's lives.

>That's like saying "if you don't want murder, don't murder".

Since you invented your own definition of murder which is very different from the one used in the law, that comparison is just silly.

>>8 Oh yes I was serious when I said that. Now harken, baby. I was trying to attack this populistic aspect of the contemporary left, namely their stance regarding Israel. Secondly there are far more things about them I do not like, it's just that the right isn't quick enough on guarding and endorsing principles I can not budge on. Hence, I try to amass some facts to see where my loyalties should be. I'm actually not a radical leftist, I just think abortion is a non-issue in these times and that those that attack it can't see the whole picture.

ALL OF YOU WHO OPPOSE ABORTIONS IN THIS THREAD ...

ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ANYTHING TO TAKE CARE OF THE UNWANTED CHILD?
ASK YOURSELF HONESTLY, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO?

NO?

THEN SHUT UP, YOU DO NOT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CHILD...

HERE'S A FREAKING HINT: WE NEED MORE BABIES OR THE MUSLIMS WILL OUTBREED US IN 3 GENERATIONS!!!

CLEARLY BANNING ABORTION WON'T DO MUCH BUT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN

>>12
Well since you were quick to to attack all Jews instead of just the vicious zionists proves you have some sort of racist/generalist/extremist-black-white-withusorwithoutus mentality.

Malcolm X gave up their extremism in favour of simply eliminating racism so blacks could have liberty like whites. Perhaps you should become a libertarian instead of being a commu-fascist liberal!

>>15 You are one hell of a fool. I'm pro-israel, and I was stereotyping the contemporary leftists who hate on Israel despite them being the buffers between us and insane destabilizing forces, and who adore and sympathize with every single muslim because they are different.

insane destabilizing forces

The obvious question being why they're an insane destabilizing force.

Just because?

>>13

"ALL OF YOU WHO OPPOSE ABORTIONS IN THIS THREAD ...

ARE YOU GOING TO PAY ANYTHING TO TAKE CARE OF THE UNWANTED CHILD?"

Why is the unwanted child there? Because of the mother's irresponsibility.  People need to be held accountable for their actions. 

"ASK YOURSELF HONESTLY, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO?"

If she didn't have the ability to care for the child, she should have been a more responsible person than to put herself in said situation. 


"THEN SHUT UP, YOU DO NOT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CHILD"

It's not just about that child.  It's about accountability, and a general respect for life and humanity. 

>>14
Actually, we need to throw the Muslims out of our countries. We don't need 5 billion babies, that would be a race we couldn't win anyway.

PREGNANCY IS NO MORE A CONTRACT THAN ANY HUMAN NATURAL BODILY FUNCTION.  BEING HORNY DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SEX, BEING HUNGRY DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLE YOU TO FOOD, HAVING TO GO TO THE BATHROOM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLE YOU TO DROP YOUR FECES WHEREVER YOU LIKE, AND PREGNANCY DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.

RU-486 OR GTFO

FOR A CONTRACT TO BE MADE, IT MUST BE MADE BETWEEN TWO SEPARATE AND SENTIENT BEINGS.  NOT BETWEEN A BEING AND HERSELF AND NOT BETWEEN A BEING AND A BODY PART.

>>16
Then why did you say Jews instead of vicious zionists? Freudian slip?

>>22 Are you this slow or am I having a nightmare? I, was, making, fun, of, the, leftist, tendency, to, hate, all, jews, as, a, knee-jerk, reaction, when, in, fact, *I*, only, disagree, with, the, zionists. Now please develop something terminal.

>>20
"PREGNANCY IS NO MORE A CONTRACT THAN ANY HUMAN NATURAL BODILY FUNCTION."

Yes it is.  The mother agrees to harbor the baby.  If not, she should have used birth control. 

"BEING HORNY DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SEX, BEING HUNGRY DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLE YOU TO FOOD, HAVING TO GO TO THE BATHROOM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLE YOU TO DROP YOUR FECES WHEREVER YOU LIKE"

I agree.

"AND PREGNANCY DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO GO THROUGH WITH IT."

I disagree.  If you didn't want to have the baby, you should have gone through the steps necessary to prevent pregnancy when you had sex... i.e. using a few of the various methods of birth control. 

>>21
"FOR A CONTRACT TO BE MADE, IT MUST BE MADE BETWEEN TWO SEPARATE AND SENTIENT BEINGS."

I used it as a descriptive term.  It's not an actual contract as we know it. 

"NOT BETWEEN A BEING AND HERSELF AND NOT BETWEEN A BEING AND A BODY PART."

It's a developing human being.  If she didn't want to harbor it to full development, and give birth, she should have used birth control and shown some responsibility. 

If you don't like abortions, don't get one.

I'm going to piss off the abortionists by drawing a drop of blood from my finger. OMG! Look at all those valuable human cells that will certainly die without the refuge of a host body!

If a small wad of developing cells, arguably not even animate, is sentient, and killing it is a crime, then surely the same could be said of every being you consume the meat or other products of? The main difference is that if you try to kill the animals, they will become frightened and run away, but if you try to kill the fetus, it goes *plop*.... *cellular respiration*...

About abortion:
First of all, the last thing this world needs is more people.

Secondly, the reason that murder is outlawed is a social stability reason, not a cruelty reason.  If murder was legal, society would fall apart, and therefore the majority agrees to give up the right of murder for greater stability of society.  It's called a social contract, look it up.

Will outlawing abortions grant greater societal stability?  Absolutely not.

Will allowing them possibly grant it?
Maybe.  But, that doesn't matter, since we shouldn't give up rights without good reason.

How would it grant greater stability?  Well, think about it.  Who would get an abortion?  People who don't want kids.  Are those people going to make good parents?  Are they going to raise good kids?  If the kids get put in orphanages, they're not exactly going to be better-off.

Also, stability is lost when abortions are outlawed?  Why is that?  It's the same loss of stability that came with the outlawing of alchohol.  If they're illigal, the only way to get them is to get an illegal one.  That's right, back-alley coat-hanger.

So, in order to keep our society stable, as well as for many moral reasons already stated, abortions should be legal.

>>25
If you don't like murder, don't murder.  If you don't like rape, don't rape.  If you don't like theft, don't steal. 

"First of all, the last thing this world needs is more people."

Sure.  Use birth control methods then instead of killing fetuses.  There's plenty of them, and plenty of ways to do it that won't effect "feeling" or sensations involved in sex.  Using multiple methods at once easilly reduces your chances of pregnancy down WELL below one percent. 

"Secondly, the reason that murder is outlawed is a social stability reason, not a cruelty reason."

No, it's because of a moral reason:  killing other human beings is wrong.  It's a live and let live thing.  You are free to live and be free so long as you respect other human beings' right to do the same.  That's why murder is illegal.

"If murder was legal, society would fall apart, and therefore the majority agrees to give up the right of murder for greater stability of society."

No.  The reason murder is illegal is because it is wrong.  See above..  There is no such thing as the right to murder.  There is no such thing as the right to violate another individual's right.  The law and the government are there to protect individuals and their rights.

"It's called a social contract, look it up."

This has nothing to do with the reasons for which abortions/murder should be outlawed. 

"Will outlawing abortions grant greater societal stability?  Absolutely not."

This has nothing to do with the reasons abortion/murder should be outlawed. 

"Will allowing them possibly grant it?
Maybe.  But, that doesn't matter, since we shouldn't give up rights without good reason."

That's right.  And that's precisely why I defend the rights of developing human beings.  I'll agree with you the mother's rights to her life should come first--abortion when medically necessary, or when rape has been committed is acceptable.  Senseless and unnecessary abortions, on the other hand, should be outlawed. 

"How would it grant greater stability?  Well, think about it.  Who would get an abortion?  People who don't want kids.  Are those people going to make good parents?"

Maybe they should have thought about that before they made the decision to have sex and not take the actions necessary to keep from getting pregnant.  (birth control)

"Are they going to raise good kids?  If the kids get put in orphanages, they're not exactly going to be better-off."

Adoption is becoming a more and more feasible solution nowadays.  Anyways, while this is a valid point, people should simply not be allowed to just have an abortion whenever they damn well please.  Abortions should be something that are closely regulated and monitored, and only given out when medically necessary, when the woman has been raped, or in another reasonable situation.  Again, the woman's rights come before the rights of the developing being, but the developing being shouldn't be harmed unless it is necessary. 

"Also, stability is lost when abortions are outlawed?  Why is that?"

Likely because the children raised become dipshits due to shitty parenting. 

The solution to crime is to proliferate firearms, and to toughen up on punishment for crimes.  Rehabilitation might be a feasible solution as well, I don't know. 

"It's the same loss of stability that came with the outlawing of alchohol.  If they're illigal, the only way to get them is to get an illegal one.  That's right, back-alley coat-hanger."

It's a different situation nowadays.  One should ask the question - why IS the woman currently pregnant? Were there possibly some methods of preventing the pregnancy had she not wanted to have the baby? I think what it boils down to is that some people just don't want to accept the responsibility for their actions.  Birth control is pretty easy to get.  If they were going to have sex - that's just fine, but since it's her body, and she knows what will happen if she doesn't use birth control, she should have used birth control to prevent the pregnancy.  Using multiple methods of contraception at the same time can easilly and without hassle, expense, or risk, reduce the risk of pregnancy to well under 1%.

"So, in order to keep our society stable, as well as for many moral reasons already stated, abortions should be legal."

Your reasons previously stated have been refuted.  To keep our society stable, we should just toughen up our sentencing. 

The solution of the right-wing to crime has been proven too many times to be the right one. 

Tougher sentencing, gun rights, pro self defense legislation, and gun proliferation are the solution to crime. 

>>29 First, stop putting so much spacing everywhere, I hate truncated posts. Secondly, the attacks on abortion is a symptom of the same lack of conscience that spawned capital punishment; society is not taking responsibility for the effect it has on the citizens, and instead pours it all over on them, making everything worse. Justifying this is dogamtism and a bastardized view on behavioral psychology. It is also equivalent to raising a child in a dark room, and scolding it for covering it's eyes in daylight.
I want more murder, if that is your definition. Throw as many quips about accountability and "Killing is non-good"
at me as you wish, it is still making the organism accountable for the shaping of the environment.

>>3
I love you. Will you marry me?

>>30
I responded to things point by point, as is necessary to argue my case effectively.  What's so bad about truncated posts?

As to your collective responsibility ideas - well, I just flat out disagree.  Each individual knows when he's breaking a law or some shit like that what he's doing.  When doing so, he knows there will be consequences.  Stepping up the punishments is just fine. 

Xel seems to like collective punishment

>>32 Punishments, especially the "you got yo'seff in this'yere mess so don't be complaynin' about the punishment" kind that is lauded by the type of people that think America is a meritocracy and some people jst should be excluded becuase they didn't jump on the train and kill children just to escape discomfort. Women who have abortions get better skina and slimmer legs, that's enough justification for me
>>33 Reality: We are all collectively punished and rewarded by the world we've created. People who frown at smoking start at the wrong end if they try to take a shortcut and ban it. People who dislike abortions do the same thing because of the same factor, selfishness and laziness. If you don't want the wrong type of leaves, change the fertilizer. It will take a long time for the tree to get your message when you cut the leves again and again and you'll be spending resources raking up said leaves anyway. By induction, no woman can use the bible to attack gays, because by the same doctrine she should be veiled. By the same induction, if you try to take away abortion, I'll have no qualms taking one of your liberties, because no one should be allowed to eat cake and keep it.

Hey Cletus, just because you messed your own life up doesn't mean you have the right to dictate other people's decisions. If you have problems with it, then just sit in your double-wide and during a time when NASCAR's not on, you can think to yourself how much better you are for not having one or by being opposed to it, while your 6 kids play on the couch outside.

Fuck you, and if you actually came here to look for intelligent debate on this, you aren't too bright. The fact that so many people tried to carry on an "intelligent" (a term I use very liberally in regards to some of you pro-life religious nuts) conversation originating from an obvious troll post is pretty pathetic. Don't you people have an academic outlet, like college, to discuss these things? Oh, wait.

And birth control sounds so easy to people who aren't getting any.

republicans are gay

>>35
Well if they didn't have any birth control, maybe they should have considered this fact before having sex.

>>34
People's environments don't build the people.  People aren't subject to some strange force beyond their control.  You don't believe in free will I take it?

>>37 Free will is a complete illusion, and society will always have to find constructive ways to deal with the behavior of the influenced citizens. Abortion is not a good solution.

>>38
How is free will an illusion? I'm sitting here with a spoon in front of me on my desk.  I can choose to pick up that spoon, or leave it there.  I don't have free will?

>>39 Nope. Why did you use that example just now, why did you type this and why did I type the post that your post is a response to? If one goes back far enough, we reach the beginning of the universe and from there everything afterwards is decided. There is only one thing we can do in any moment, since we can only see one threedimensional cut of the four-dimensional continuum at any one time (the equivalent of seeing a three-dimensional one two-dimensional slice at a time). As such, we might as well move along and do what we wish, because it was meant to be.

>>40
That thought has crossed my mind.  Nonetheless, it's been shown that accountability for one's actions has a positive impact on society and the economy. 

>>39
THERE IS NO SPOON