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"Well, according to literally hundreds of other gay rights groups- you are not only wrong, but you're a very, very, very small (and dumb) minority. Stop trying to sensationalize your little movement."
I don't care if they think I am wrong. Millions of people can say I'm wrong, and it wouldn't make it so. I think homosexuals should be very concerned with the right to keep and bear arms, as well as the right to self-defense, as, from a homosexual individual's perspective, these things effect them and their group of people as well as everyone else.
You also fail to address the fact that the democrats wish to disarm these minorities, and take away their right to self defense. They are clearly not their friends. The libertarian party is.
"LOL? Are you sure you're talking about me and not somebody else?"
Yep.
"I don't agree with any politican that makes a grab for gun rights."
Good.
"But to say that gays should be concerned with guns first is basically the ideology of cowards and conformists."
I don't agree. Keep in mind, it isn't JUST guns, it is one of the most basic human rights of all - self defense. To take a human right of the general populous away is to take the same rights from all the minorities as well. As a homosexual, I would much rather have the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to defend myself, than the right to have a gay marriage.
"Yeah, but: So what?"
So the fact that these rights of everyone have been slowly chipped away at over the years should lead one to the conclusion that people should stop supporting the democrats until they change - for the sake of everyone, including homosexual individuals.
"I mean, are you currectly having trouble getting a gun?"
Yes. Fees, registration, restrictions, paperwork, taxes, and many guns are simply outright banned, or essentially banned (made hard enough to get that nobody but an extremely rich person can afford due to bans on sale of new weapons).
Self-defense rights, while there have been significant gains in many states, are on the decline in the more liberal (insane) areas of the USA. Many basic handguns are already banned or restricted in many states.
"I don't understand. You act as if our gun rights have already been stripped from us."
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When, in certain states, a burglar can sue his victim for tripping and hurting himself on his way off his victim's property, I'd say victim's rights are on the decline for that area, yes.
I shudder to think what might happen if the democrats had full control of the government for the next handful of years, and complete ability to exercise power, and ram their agenda down everyone's throats.
"Like I said: No one is trying to physically disarm gays of their guns."
Not gays specifically, but they are trying to disarm the general population, which is something everyone, including homosexuals should be concerned with.
"If we lose our gun rights, we ALL lose them and that's not good."
Including gays, yes.
"I'm simply saying that gays shouldn't ally themselves with people who hate them and consider them social and cultural abominations"
I think who they should ally with should depend on a few things. If they are willing to compromise, and they would rather have self defense rights, and the 2nd amendment, republican is the way to go. If they'd rather have the right to have gay marriages, and to adopt children, and are willing to compromise on their 2nd amendment and self-defense rights, the dems are the way to go.
If they aren't willing to compromise on any of their freedoms, the libertarians are the way to go.
"You are a minority."
Maybe, but there are plenty of conservatives who lean libertarian in the USA. Many just vote republican because they prefer that 'package deal' over the democratic 'package deal', and don't wish to risk a certain favored freedom by voting for the libertarian party rather than one of the main two parties. I think there are quite a few libertarians who lean conservative, and many conservatives who lean libertarian. The fact is, quite simply, they are willing to compromise and vote for one of the major parties. This doesn't mean their group is not significantly influential.
"So you are a baby boomer. Thanks for clairifying that. Your persona (your stupidity) finally makes sense. ^_^"
Yay for personal attacks in political debate!