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Name: Anonymous 2006-06-14 0:04

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-26 22:35

>>40
Don't forget all the unconstitutional gun-control Clinton enacted. There's a mountain of it, and it's very likely it will never get entirely repealed again.  Clinton's harm to the constitution will very likely be permanent.

Of course, Clinton didn't ONLY harm the 2nd Amendment, he did a lot more, but that is probly the largest of the evils. 

Name: Xel 2006-06-27 4:23

>>41 I dunno. I look to the stats, or at least the actual effects. The effects of the Clinton presidency are horrible. I feel now that Clinton sucked, and I also understand he was only marginally better than Bush. I wonder if gun-related crime went on the rise due to his gun policies though. 

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Name: Anonymous 2006-06-27 13:11

>>42
It did.  And, actually, with the expiration of his "Assault Weapons Ban," the crime rate dropped 3.6 percent.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-27 13:12

>>44
And people said there'd be "blood in the streets" if the politicians let that one expire...

Name: Xel 2006-06-27 14:25

>>44>>45 That's exactly what I like to know. Thanks muchly. But isn't there a state where you now can shoot people just for being "threatening" or something? Considering it's a decree on the other side of the spectrum, how's that working out? I now it's bad to be so vague but all the news we get in Sweden is about Gaza, swedish politicians, media uproars and Europe.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-27 17:24

>>44
      That statistic is unaccurate as you can only really base it's effect on crime as in the rate of crime using assault weapons, and the rate of crime using weapons that the criminals got when assault weapons were unobtainable to them.  You can't judge the sucess of the law by overall crime rate.  And most of the weapons banned by the assault weapons ban were illegal anyways.

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-27 18:30

>>46
Yeah, there are plenty of states with laws like that.  Those are generally referred to as self-defence rights laws.  I have not heard anything BAD about those laws, and most large organizations support them as an effective method of controlling crime. 

Anyways, private citizens have shown to be five times more accurate in who they are shooting than the actual police themselves.  (I have the source if you don't believe me on this.)

So those laws are probably a good thing. 

There are also some similar laws pertaining to self-defence known as "castle doctrine" laws.  These laws basically state that if you are assaulted, or you think you will be, and you are in a place where you have a legal right to be (such as your home), you don't have the 'duty to retreat.'  You can stay there, hold your ground and your home, and defend it, without fear of prosecution. 

Of course, you won't see the liberals often support measures like this....

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-27 21:51

>>46  The only news we get in the United States seems to be school shootings and domestic violence.  Yay for corporate anti-gun media!

Name: Xel 2006-06-28 9:32

Okay, I'll give my props to the libertarians, and I hope Bloomberg manages to shake thing up and that he isn't anything like Clinton. In the meantime, the libertarians seem to be a better lot than most; as long as they keep the christians away from my gay fellow humans I'm game. Go Purple!

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-28 15:07

>>50
Glad to hear it.  Another on the freedom bandwagon.  Here's some great websites for more libertarian/freedom oriented reading(though not necessarilly indicative of the thoughts or beliefs of ALL libertarians): 

http://www.lp.org/

http://www.self-gov.org/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/

And another link to a site with more links for you: 

http://www.theadvocates.org/links.html

Enjoy!

Name: Anonymous 2006-06-28 15:09

>>50
Oh, and I forgot this one: 

http://www.cato.org/

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