Hating Racists is Racist

All around me I see an incredible injustice being committed every day.  Thousands of racists are being discriminated against, being derided in the media, being shunned from social groups, and being avoided by the population at large.

Their genes are inferior, primative, dating back to prehistoric times, when tribes fought against each other, and had to have an easy way to convince themselves that they should irrationally hate their enemy nations.  Back then it was an advantage to believe that humans should be separated from each other, and that certain ones should be made into slaves or killed.

Racists aren't at fault for the way they are; it's their genes that determine that they will be racist.  Therefore, it's immoral to discriminate against them, they just can't help it.

>>40

Actually, I'm fairly certain morality plays into it and that's where the divide comes in. Who decides what's moral? There's some child rape stuff that's a no brainer. But what about virtually victimless crimes? Like pot smoking. And if pot smoking isn't a victimless crime- then shouldn't tabbacco smoking not be inherantly victimless and therefore illegal as well?

>>41
That's what I'm saying, though I should've proofread my post first.

Does society exist to give everyone the exact same chance and circumstances that everyone else has?  Or does it exist merely to ensure that they have a pretty much equal chance?  And even then, who decided what's equal? 

And then again, this topic was started over someone trying to get people to stop being "bad".  Will it be "bad" to work hard and make more money than the nigger next door who instead of getting a job, gets a girl pregnant and then lives on the welfare that comes pouring in afterwards like he won the lotto?

My honest appraisal of the situation is that it's not always bad to have some inequality, no matter how much that gets commu-facist-socialism-nerds off. We can't waste our resources trying to squeeze the last idiot's standard of living up by a few degrees.  And should that really be the goal of our lives?

>>42
I mean, I realize it's moral to try to give everyone the EXACT same chance.  But in feasibility, it fails.  And trying probably ensures that we won't accomplish anything.

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>>42

You lose your version of this argument by resorting to using "nigger", in the first place. Someone like you, who's ideals seemed to be steeped in bigotry cannot be trusted to decide what or who is equal. You lack objectivity. Or rather, your version of it flaws the concept with a number of predispositions that you hold.

I'm "black", as well, but I'm not the same guy that said people should stop being bad. I'm the Race/IQ debate guy. Now while "Nigger" doesn't bother me as much as whites would like it to- (I eat the word for breakfast, use it as a greeting among non black friends)- one has to be able to recognise that white commonly don't use that word in bigotted manner unless there's some preconcieved negativity attached to it. (Usually born from ignorance)

I think it's clear that people like you can't be trusted to decide who is idiotic or a "waste of resources". And yes, everyone should have the same equal chances within reason. Yes, that should be the goal. I suspect you'd be singing a different tune if you were born in a third world country where all the first world countries are sucking up your natural resources. Or if you were say: "Born a nigger" where not only do you have to contend with the white perception of how far you should go in life- but a perception held by your own "race" that sets you up for failure.

All of this shit and your commitment to seeing blacks as "niggers" is a consorted effort to not so much as "keep darky down" but to ensure we have a situation of haves vs have nots playing out until the end of human existence.

Look at it this way: This has been playing out for thousands of years just like other so-called "fixed human conditions". Humanity has always leaned to doing better, not letting shit fly where it at. Why should this be any different than say- coming out of hunting and gathering groups or living in small tribes?

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>>46
NO DUDE WERE ALL TOO STOOPID!

wouldn't hating racists just be discrimnatory as oppossed to racist? Racists' are a group not a 'race'. :P
Sorry if it was addressed before or if it's not the point of the thread, I just read the title.

Don't take things too seriously, >>48.

Blah blah blah more of this shit.

I was using nigger as a general term for po' folks

>>50

You shouldn't even be using it as a general term for "po' folks". This is at the very heart of my point. You assume that nothing will change if we give "poor folks" the same equal chances as everyone who isn't "a nigger".

You're wrong.

Not only has there never been a unipolar effort to achieve this, but I think it's safe to say that your opinion is shared by those of a certian status. You were born into the life of privilage you have and it is re-enforced by the perception of your racial identity.

You can bitch all you want about people bringing other western socialist government into the argument- but it's very apparent by the statistics that they have their shit together. Numbers don't lie.

Your argument that we shouldn't at least try for equality is just morally dispicable. And if I wanted, I could resort to extreme examples as well. (We can't save all the kids being raped- so why try?) - The point I'm making here is that mankind as a whole has never sat back and said: "Well, it's just fucked anyway so why bother?"

Quite the opposite.

>>1
You have a great point. Its not racistm but dissrimination!

>>1

Bullshit, genes have nothing to do with racism. You become racist due to your environment, primarily based on your own firsthand experiences and (largely) how you viewed other races being treated as a child.

If you dad made nigger jokes, chances are you make them too. If some flip fucker robbed you twice, chances are you don't trust Filipinos. That's not genetic, that's just how people learn and take in life experiences.

Keep your kids away from rap videos and music on tv.Its the stupidest things they say in them.I kill this guy and fuck this bitch up the ass.God.I fear that the new white generation (20 and under) are startung to like and look up to nigras.If we dont save them we will soon seem uncool and undesirable even to our own women.

>>54
Something I've thougth of lately:
Whiggers aren't really white niggers, the real white niggers and the original boys in the hood are the skinheads. They have their hair cut short like niggers, they have lots of tattoes like niggers, They work out and pump iron like niggers and they hate all other races except the hot wommen. Skinnheads are the whites answer to nigger gangsters. The whiggers who immitaters the gangsters are just weak wannabe niggers. 

>>55

THANK YOU

Now that you've figured that out, why don't you go the rest of the way?

How many RICH Skinnheads do you know compared to say: POOR ONES?

Don't Skinheads also live in a paranoid, reactionary cultural structure where their entire race is being persecuted?

What do you think the average IQ of a skinhead is? If "niggers = white skinheads" - that includes intelligence, correct? Because there seems to be no difference in intelligence between the two.

Are you seeing a pattern of behavior here?

>>55
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>>56
True, But they are still white and rigth. Where I live there are two types off people in the prissons. Its the skinnheads and the niggers. The black guys who commit crimes and the whites who figth them back. Do you get my point? Mostly all of the whites in prisson are there for beeing pissed at the blacks.

Mostly all of the whites in prisson are there for beeing pissed at the blacks.

I find that really hard to believe.

>>58

..... of course white criminals in it for rape and murders are provoked by black people; simply being pissed @ the blacks. great generalisation mate.

people r in prisons cos they committed a crime or at least a court has deemed them so. NOT because they r "fighting" back the blacks. wtf r they fighting back really? oh lets beat on the blacks until they can save up enough money to fly back to africa???

do you think deporting black people to where ever they came from will solve the issue? it's the white americans that broght them into the country in the first place! if some1 brought your whiteass into japan and sold into slavery, and then deny you of any civil rights, wouldn't you be pissed off and wanna at least be treated equal?

>>1
agree

>Maybe it isn't racism that is the problem, maybe it is discrimination itself, or crime.

You want to get rid of discrimination?

There is a thread on this here http://dis.4chan.org/read/newpol/1207841526/1-

Good luck trying to combat intelligence and human discernment.

racists are a race now?

>>63
Anything can be a race since it's a social construct according to liberals.

>>62
The lengths you butthurt retards go on to justify your delusions to make yourselves feel better... It's pathetic.

>>51
>Your argument that we shouldn't at least try for equality is just morally dispicable. And if I wanted, I could resort to extreme examples as well. (We can't save all the kids being raped- so why try?)

And why do you think we don't try to stop every child being raped?
Equality is a stupid idea and nobody who lives with thier eyes opens gives it a shread of legitimacy, the manifest inequalities are too great for a government to repair. The only way it can be achieved is by crippling the strongest and the smartest, which is the obvious reason people who aren't living in la-la libfag land wouldn't support it.

>This person wishes to swear and shout at the same person or the same group of people over and over for the rest of their lives, this is not liberty, but the crime of harrasment.

It is liberty when the man being insulted can stop the other man from doing so.

>Maybe it isn't racism that is the problem, maybe it is discrimination itself, or crime.

So which one is the problem? That people discriminate or have any sort of discernment? You're mad my friend.

>Numbers don't lie.

You mean statistics don't lie? lol nice.

>You lose your version of this argument by resorting to using "nigger", in the first place. Someone like you, who's ideals seemed to be steeped in bigotry cannot be trusted to decide what or who is equal. You lack objectivity. Or rather, your version of it flaws the concept with a number of predispositions that you hold.

I'm not the poster you were replying to but. Do you know how stupid this ad hominem BS makes you sound? You must be a nigger is you can't see that.


I think >>1 makes a very good point. It is natural to discriminate racially therefore it isn't wrong. To say it is wrong, that somthing which is natural and predisposition of  human nature is wrong, is a hideious statement and completely opposed to what is fundementally right.

>>63
Claims that obvious biological facts are "a social construction" are themselves a social construction.

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>>68
>>67
Double sage

>>68

Proof that every "black man" on the internet is a libfag troll.

>>70
What are you talking about, that's a genuine neocon kid

>> Equality is a stupid idea and nobody who lives with thier eyes opens gives it a shread of legitimacy, the manifest inequalities are too great for a government to repair. The only way it can be achieved is by crippling the strongest and the smartest, which is the obvious reason people who aren't living in la-la libfag land wouldn't support it.

You are very confused and very wrong. Equality as about as much of an "idea" as inequality is. You confuse equality, empathy and benevolence with totalitarianism and the mindfuck that is modern liberalism. Hide behind your equally dogmatic collectivist political rhetoric all you want, but they're just strawmen.

>> I'm not the poster you were replying to but. Do you know how stupid this ad hominem BS makes you sound? You must be a nigger is you can't see that.

"Nigger" is ad hominem BS, too. Nevertheless, my rejoinders don't sound half as stupid as someone who doesn't know the difference between "is" and "if".

>> It is natural to discriminate racially therefore it isn't wrong. To say it is wrong, that somthing which is natural and predisposition of  human nature is wrong, is a hideious statement and completely opposed to what is fundementally right.

Again, it's not upon the shoulders of someone as dumb as you to decide what's natural. Especially since you don't seem to understand that the opposite of your statement applies to human nature as well. Modern humans were born of savagery and stupidity and we have, somewhat, grown into more refined beings. This is something we've always strived for. I find it ironic that people who are so quick to equate others to cavemen, find themselves acting worse than actual cavemen. At least a neanderthals excuse is ignorance.

>>72 "Nigger" is ad hominem BS, too.
That would only be true if niggers were human.

>>71
Neo-cons ARE liberals.

>>72
>You confuse equality, empathy and benevolence with totalitarianism and the mindfuck that is modern liberalism. Hide behind your equally dogmatic collectivist political rhetoric all you want, but they're just strawmen.

You confuse "empathy" with "being a faggot", and "benevolence" with "giving extra special privilages".
Equality isn't just an idea when it is written into law and into government policy. We aren't discussing dictionaries here.

>"Nigger" is ad hominem BS, too.

No shit captin obvious.

>Again, it's not upon the shoulders of someone as dumb as you to decide what's natural. Especially since you don't seem to understand that the opposite of your statement applies to human nature as well.

But it doesn't apply anyway nearly as equally now does it?

>Modern humans were born of savagery and stupidity and we have, somewhat, grown into more refined beings. This is something we've always strived for.

Ha ha ha. "refined beings" hahaha. Where do you live man? Some leafy fucking liberal suburb ey? Whatever you do don't go outside.
People haven't changed in a thousand years. Society has changed, technology has changed. People, humans don't change.
If you equate; enforcing uniform public opinon with propaganda and law with "refinement" you're sorley mistaken.

>I find it ironic that people who are so quick to equate others to cavemen, find themselves acting worse than actual cavemen. At least a neanderthals excuse is ignorance.

Lawdy muh nigga. What was wrong with cavemen? I'm sure they wouldn't be so bad, why do you feel the need to discriminate against people so much?

>>You confuse "empathy" with "being a faggot", and "benevolence" with "giving extra special privilages". Equality isn't just an idea when it is written into law and into government policy. We aren't discussing dictionaries here.

Inequality based upon anything other than pure a priori objective evidence is "giving extra special privilages". Inequality isn't a naturally occuring idea when it's placed in law, either. But somehow I don't think you understand that we're not just discussing law here.

>>But it doesn't apply anyway nearly as equally now does it?

That's just your opinion. An opinion based on certain indefensible assumptions and obnoxious ingnorance mired in myopic thought.

>>Ha ha ha. "refined beings" hahaha. Where do you live man? Some leafy fucking liberal suburb ey? Whatever you do don't go outside. People haven't changed in a thousand years. Society has changed, technology has changed. People, humans don't change. If you equate; enforcing uniform public opinon with propaganda and law with "refinement" you're sorley mistaken.

I live, work and study in Downtown LA. The fact that I'm a black man living in a heavily urbanized area surrounded by a variety of ethics and classes probaby goes into my own thoughts on the subject. But again, this only matters if you lack the faculties of critical thought.

Listen, if you think that clear social and technological change isn't an indictator of a fundamental change in humanity then that's your retarded prerogative. Such as is my (non-retarded) belief of the opposite.

However, I am speaking to is the deterministic nature of mankind. I'm as pessemistic and cycinal as you about this world, but if you percieve and act on the perception that some human beings are just "inferior" than you are doing nothing more than expressing determination towards irrational fear, xenophobia and socioculturally enforced inequality which makes you just as fucking guilty as the people you're railing against like gay zealot.

I'm done with you, now.

>>75
Stay in LA, nigger. Don't come round hear. Naw mean?

>>76
O.k., I won't come around here no more (cuz I'm black).

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>>75
>Inequality based upon anything other than pure a priori objective evidence is "giving extra special privilages". Inequality isn't a naturally occuring idea when it's placed in law, either. But somehow I don't think you understand that we're not just discussing law here.

Well I was talking about racial equality, races just aren't equal.

>That's just your opinion. An opinion based on certain indefensible assumptions and obnoxious ingnorance mired in myopic thought.

I'm sure that the vast majourity of behavioural scientists and science research would agree with me. Therfore it's not just my "opinion" I believe.

>I live, work and study in Downtown LA. The fact that I'm a black man living in a heavily urbanized area surrounded by a variety of ethics and classes probaby goes into my own thoughts on the subject. But again, this only matters if you lack the faculties of critical thought.

I dunno what you're on about man. I'm from a large countryside village, as can be expected.

>Listen, if you think that clear social and technological change isn't an indictator of a fundamental change in humanity then that's your retarded prerogative. Such as is my (non-retarded) belief of the opposite.

Where is the change? Humans as a specices haven't changed one iota.

And anyway, imagine you're in a large crowd for a second. Let's say after a large football game or music concert how many people do you think - if the lights went out and the police disapeared, would be pulling the gold teeth from your dead body?
Just look at riots and even such "civilsed" things as music concerts and sports games, how quickly we decend into lunacy. This is especially true for the black race.
The rodney king riots where sheer savagery lol.

>However, I am speaking to is the deterministic nature of mankind. I'm as pessemistic and cycinal as you about this world,

I'm not pessemistic at all. I may be proto-fascist racist but I'm a ball of fucking laughs almost all the time, honest to blog.

>but if you percieve and act on the perception that some human beings are just "inferior" than you are doing nothing more than expressing determination towards irrational fear, xenophobia and socioculturally enforced inequality which makes you just as fucking guilty as the people you're railing against like gay zealot.

Well I don't like to say "inferior - superior" beacuse it sounds like a science judgement. Just different.
And I don't think it should be written into law that white people are better than black people. But I think people should be free to discuss it and have thier own views on it.

>I'm done with you, now.

Just one thing. Why do blacks like to race mix so much? Almost every other human society has been violenty opposed to it, as it is a death knell for thier society and race. Black people just seem to want to do it, they get off on fucking what is different.

You're both morons.
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