Howard Dean?

/dons tinfoil hat/

Is he just what the Dems need to regain power?
OR:
Did he sell out to the Corporate State.  Give up running for a fat paychceck and the promise of no Anthrax letters?

/removes tinfoil hat/

Anyone?

I personally think Dean is just what the Dems need. I've voted for Howard Dean many, many, many times and I will continue to support him in whatever he does. That should give you a pretty good idea of which state I'm from. ^_^

Dean is exactly what the Democrats don't need.  All the Democrats' recent successes have been with centrist candidates who appeal to the swing voters with a common-sense platform.  Dean is a lunatic-fringe left-wing ideologue who will alienate the entire country with the possible exceptions of San Francisco and Greenwich Village.  The Democrats should put Bill Clinton in charge of the DNC.

Howard Brush* Dean IS NOT A LUNATIC FRINGE LEFT-WING radical. Don't believe the spin. Damn GOP whores eating up the bile and bullshit talking points of reich-wing talking heads. You are SO propagandized. I pity thee.

* um, yeah, what's with the middle name?

If Howard Dean is a lunatic-fringe left-winger, what is Canada, West Europe, Australia, etc? In a completely different universe?

lol hyperbole

heh, 'lunatic left winger' when the guys like centre right practically.

lol america

>>5
They're foreigners, that's what.  They don't get to vote here and their politics are irrelevant.  By standards of US political culture, Dean is a left-wing extremist.

Why are their politics irrelevant? Who knows, maybe they're onto something.

No, Dean's policies are NOT LEFT-WING EXTREMIST. Even in America. Look at his record. He's an american centrist with a distaste for political cronyism. You guys believe the spin, don't you. Baa, baa.

>>9
oh god u just owned that guy so hard that my monitor dimmed for second there

its trendy to bash the whining minority... every day whining on your tv set...

media perceptions are really all that really matter
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAWWWWW~~#@!!12%</dean - od'ed on prozac pandering to his core audience, oh sorry those are national cameras>

the current global climate favors the right, the right is percieved as the party of strength.. in america or anywhere else..  germany is also shifting very right as most of the world is, they want a god-ordained furher to lead them to victory, er i mean defend them

and forget about the gimmick issue of gay marriage.. dean has a very left position on that, i mean shit vermont may as well be france

dean had no chance in a national election, but he knows politics and has a brain, after all he went to yale with with the bushes and rev pat robertson... medical school too...

yale must be a cool place guys

dean was forced to pander to his base, left wing voters... but if hes not out wasting time marketing himself to the media, he can probably be just as effective a dnc chairman as anyone else... he sees clearly the corruption in the beurocracy and will leverage and operate within it as best he can(given the cards dealt to him)  the rnc chairman has this same ability and operates the same way, just his hand contains much better cards at the moment

politicans are all the same on an operational level, the only difference is the party lines that they convey in their public rehetoric.. aside from that, and the "pet issues" that they champion indivudually, they are just tools of the party for brute force voting purposes

the actual control is in party hands, and the coordinating faction in the dominant administration(of which many are not actually working in the white house) karl rove gets attention because he is obviously on the payroll and handles the media image of the party.. but people like james baker are off quietly making phone calls whenever they need to assert an opinion on certain matters of expertise.. there are various key people who contribute to party tactics and strategy '*nc chairman' is an important organizational position but it is more an accountability figurehead than anything else

the position is mostly there so theres an easy answer to "who do we fire for losing the election?" and while the act is mostly to paint public perceptions of "change and improvement" the important contributory voices in the party stay the same for decades regardless of *nc chairman

Howard Dean wins!

HD is a centre-leftist to me, supporting gay rights and such but not advocating serious and major changes like I do. He definitely isn't centre-right, as someone stated.

>>10 "forget about the gimmick issue of gay marriage.. dean has a very left position on that, i mean shit vermont may as well be france"

First of all...
ヽ<｀Д´>ノ CAPITALS, MOTHERFUCKER. DO YOU USE THEM?

Second... Vermont = France? Relatively speaking, France is a conservative country. I mean, hell, Le Pen (of the Fascist Front Nationale, because you obviously have no sense of world politics and wouldn't know who the fuck I was talking about) got on the presidential ballet, iirc.

Third... gay rights is a gimmick issue? Democrats LOSE when they side with gay rights; they're doing so out of compassion and a sense of equality. How is that a gimmick?

gay Rights my ass, marriage is a privilege godamit

>>12
gay rights is a gimmick because its a trap, the gimmickry is on the republican side... baiting the democrats to state their inevitable position on a gimmick issue that plays terribly on a national scale. real issues are national defense/foreign policy and economy... stating inevitable positions on those issues are worth alienating entire demographics, gay marriage is a distraction

ps vermont being compared to france must be understood in the climate of 'freedom fries' and the general french bashing parroted in the media, france is an icon of disagreeable europe in this sense.. nothing to do with internal french politics

also france is a front for germany's eu, their internal dynamics mean little... i like how they voted down the eu constitution in fear of diluting their job markets with eastern labor, that is quite conservative yes.. what ever happened to egalite?

hypocrites are not exclusive to this side of the atlantic you know

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