Japanese racism will hurt their economy?

It's a big article, but a very interesting read.


http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fl20050104zg.htm

OVERSEAS EXECS TIRED OF REJECTION

Racism is bad business

Arudou Debito offers accounts of how "Japanese Only" policies are turning international business away from Japan

By ARUDOU DEBITO

The Community Page has commented at length on socially-sanctioned exclusionary practices in Japan. However, it has rarely touched upon their quantifiable, longer-term effects.

Exclusionism is bad for business. Why? Because non-Japanese residents are not the only ones affected by "no-foreigner" policies. So are visiting representatives of international corporations. This makes for unfavorable overseas impressions, not only of northern Japan (famous for its decade displaying "JAPANESE ONLY" signs), but also of the entire country.

"Most people coming to Japan nowadays are not here for big 'bubble-era' business, but rather as Japan fans. But after a few years and a lot of bad experiences, I often see them leaving as Japan detractors," said Simon Jackson, president of Northpoint Network Inc. in Sapporo, Japan's fifth-largest city, on the northern island of Hokkaido.

Jackson has extensive experience doing business here: A 13-year resident who created his own company from scratch, he has spent a third of his adult life building business contacts between Japan, China, Russia, America, Canada, and New Zealand and Australia, his countries of origin.

His biggest account, amounting to several million U.S. dollars, is between China, Japan, and Russia. The first two are interested in the third's untapped oil and natural gas reserves on Sakhalin Island. An energy-hungry Japan has great interests in keeping good relations with their Russian neighbors.

However, Japan's exclusionism is souring things.

"I have taken visiting Russian and Russia-based Western clients out on the town in Hokkaido. It's become quite normal to get refused service at even regular bars," Jackson said.

Particularly grievous is Susukino, Sapporo's party district and the largest of its kind north of Tokyo.

"Susukino is now essentially closed to foreigners. I'm not talking about hidden-away brothels in obscure corners and down back streets," said Jackson.

"I mean brightly-advertised shops on the main street, and even the bottle-keep 'snacks' where people go for nightcaps. We walk in, and before anyone even checks if we can speak Japanese, we get the crossed arms barring us entry."

The result? "My clients walk out with very bad impressions, which last a long time. Often when I meet somebody for the first time and mention I'm from Hokkaido, the conversation soon turns to the time they got excluded somewhere. Without my even bringing it up."

This affects their future business decisions.

"Some senior contacts at Western-run companies in Sakhalin have even told me that if they have any choice, they actively steer business away from Japan."

Jackson's most pathetic story is about a Japanese government-sponsored business trip to Sakhalin to promote tourism.

"The Japanese representative said to the Russians, 'Come down south, take a break and enjoy Sapporo's nightlife.' 'Not likely,' they said. They knew they'd be refused somewhere all over again. The rep promised, 'It won't happen again. I'll take you around the bars myself.'

"Guess what happened? They went to about 10 bars. Every single one of them refused them entry -- regardless of the fact that the Russian businessmen were accompanied by a native speaker, and a government functionary at that.

"The representative then tried to take them to his favorite watering hole, where people knew him. But the Mama refused them there too! He finally took them to a garden-variety izakaya chain and drank himself into a cold silence."

The reason for the Susukino Shutout?

"It's a hangover of World Cup 2002," said Jackson, recalling the famous England vs. Argentina game that anticipated alighting foreigners setting Sapporo alight.

According to two Susukino barkeepers, Japanese police took cops from Britain, Germany, and Italy from bar to bar, scaring shopkeepers with tales of soccer hooligans. "The police hinted we close down for the duration, missing out on one of the year's biggest business opportunities!"

Not all did. Many instead put up "Members Only" signs -- in several languages except Japanese -- to block all foreign custom. As the International Herald Tribune newspaper reported on Nov. 23, 2002, even a ramen shop displayed it -- on orders from the local restaurateurs' association.

Two and a half years later, long after the threat of hooliganism that ultimately failed to materialize, these signs are still up around Susukino.

"It was just a good excuse to justify what they wanted to do all along," sighed Jackson.

But the problem is not limited to Hokkaido.

"In Nagoya this year, I was invited to the Suzuka Formula One auto races as a guest of a Western company supporting this event for a long time," Jackson recalled. "Walking down the street in Nagoya's nightlife district with senior reps of this company, people on the street passing out flyers to their bars pulled their hands back when they saw us. We even got refused rides in taxis. That's pretty stupid. What kind of an image is that supposed to create?"

Jackson said this company is considering changing its support to the Shanghai Formula One because of this and other ill-feelings incurred.

"And Nagoya is going to be hosting the 2005 Aichi World's Fair? You're joking. Just more people to come to Japan and leave with a sour taste," he said.

Furthermore, it's not only visitors or residents who feel the alienation. Japan spends millions annually bringing people over on Ministry of Education Scholarships, and through organizations like The Japan Exchange and Teaching (JET) Program and the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA).

These people receive funding for wages, room and board, training, and research. They also have access to domestic technologies to boost Japanese business opportunities overseas.

"These people should be going back home and becoming de facto spokespeople for Japan. But many -- dare I say most? -- remember being treated like second-class residents. Especially those brought over from countries in Asia, South America and Africa," Jackson said.

"One of my Sri Lankan friends, who joined the Hokkaido cricket games I organized, told me cricket was the only enjoyable thing he experienced in his two years at Hokkaido University. I repeat: the only. What a counterproductive use of scholarship money bringing the poor guy over here."

Just how long does the Japanese government think it can get away with no redresses for discrimination, including a law against racial discrimination? Can it merely coast along on half-measures while prejudicial policies spread nationwide?

As lawsuits rack up involving refusals at a jewelry store, bathhouses, a real estate broker, a bar, and now an optician, the problem is getting worse. As www.debito.org/roguesgallery.html catalogs, a confirmed 12 cities around Japan have been found to have had "JAPANESE ONLY" signs up.

"Japan puts all this effort into bringing people over here only to turn them off," concludes Jackson. "It should also be safeguarding their right to spend money, do business, and live here like anyone else. All a foreign guest or businessperson has to do is walk outside and see what Japan really seems to think about them."

Japan can do better than this. It must. As the world's second-biggest economy, in a resource-hungry world, this is tragic. As Asian business prospects steadily shift to a growing China, this situation, if left as is, will only hurt Japan's future global opportunities.

The Japan Times: Jan. 4, 2005
(C) All rights reserved


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Good article.  On a parallel note, Final Fantasy XI has both US and Japanese players, and since its US release many Japanese players refuse to party with US players, or even quit.  There is a definite sense of elitism.

>>2

I don't know if you noticed or not... but americans tend to be illiterate assholes.

This de facto racism in Japan is only going to hurt it and delay it's economic recovery.
>>2 I ran into this a lot too.  For some of them the second you speak english or indicate that you know english, they freak out and demand that you leave.  FFXI turned me into a racist.
JAPANESE ONLY my ass.
>>3 This is true however I have heard of a number of ocasions where the American was well spoken and respectful, and they were still treated like crap.

Also very funny are these propaganda-buggies that drive through the cities and cry out their racistic crap with megaphones.

By the way: If anyone would put out those GERMANS ONLY sign he would have too quit business..

>>3

You mean: They deserve the racism they get?

and yet you wotakus continue to admire the culture of the enemies of humanity. China and korea are the future of east asia. japan will continue to rot in a putrid stew of otaku(pedo)culture, racism, and busted economic policies.

and yet you wotakus continue to admire the culture of the enemies of humanity. China and korea are the future of east asia. japan will continue to rot in a putrid stew of otaku(pedo)culture, racism, and busted economic policies.

wow, and I was concidering going to teach after I got my degree

The racism in Japan is really saddening. I can't really add anything else besides the obvious reason for said racism. It has a lot to do with the fact that Japan is a lot more homogenous than any western nation, and unlike China, where the west shoehorned its way into it, Japan remained relatively isolated from the west until around WWI (If I remember what little Japanese history I know correctly). And even then, great pains were taken to make western imports more Japanese.

Interactions with westerners are few in Japan unless you seek them out. This lack of interactions forces Japanese to paint in their heads a gross image of westerners, rarely backed up by actual contact. This can sometimes lead to wapanese style gaijin worship, and it can lead to good ol' Southern style racism, though some mix is more usual. And any interactions that match the presupposed image get amplified. It takes one drunk Marine, and the whole block of stores will hang up signs, despite there being no problem before hand. This isn't the sole fault of the Marine, the other westerners, nor the store owners, it's just what happens as a result of human interaction. Americans and other westerners are not immune from it, it's just that their histories often forced them to deal with other cultures.

It's just a big ass catch 22. This racism would be lessened if more interaction with westerners happened, but less westerners want to come since this racism happens. And it's not either's fault, since saying that something is someone's fault is usually oversimplifying the issue.

This is of course all from my ass, and dimly remembered articles, with a few personal experiences, but what on the internet isn't?

>>3
read properly, not just americans.
i hate retarded americans (not all of americans), but id have to agree the racism in japan is becoming the major problem for the world.
and yet, they're trying to raise their army agian.
what is this supposed to mean, when other countries are trying so hard to reduce its army size?

sorry, im not native english speaker, i'm south east asian

Racism is a problem that people will find anywhere, in any country. Right now japan seems to be going through an upsurge in nationalism though, but I'd hardly say it's on the same level as America ever was. Japanese people are just very 'group minded', and it'll be slow to change that mentality. I'd say things look to be getting better though. The younger generation embraces foreigners and foreign culture alot more than the older people do. Hopefully that will change things little by little.

As for the military buildup, Japan sees the (very real) threat it faces from north korea and a more powerful china (which is increasingly modernizing it's weapons and army, and also all but encouraging anti-japanese sentiment among its people). Japan increasing their ability to defend itself is inevitable at any rate. I hardly see that many countries are trying hard to reduce army sizes. To me it seems like we're entering a time where conflicts can break out at any time, and danger worldwide is increasing.

japan is old news, half their gdp is debt outright

china is where its at

Actually, public debt is ~150% of their GDP. Good fun.

Some parts of China are amazingly racist though. And while China is growing in strength (and will continue to do so) if they don't do something about that huge economic growth soon they'll have a very ugly bubble on their hands.

Racism will exist as long as there is more than 2 races, but you guys are acting way too shocked about this, what would happen if a Japanese man went to a city in Alabama, or Arkansas? Anyway, racism is bad.

>>12

I wouldn't be surprised if in about 20 yars or more there is a conflict between China and Japan, they hate eachother long time.

China and Korea is just as racist as Japan is.

>>16

bullshit, go there and see for yourself or better yet ask a bussinessman if he'd rather go to Shanghai, Seoul or Sendai. Were not talking about some village in the sticks here, but major economic hubs. Tokyo is probably the only place in Japan that a foreigner can feel at least somewhat comfortable.

>>16
have to agree with that

>>15

In many small towns in poor and isolated parts of the southern US, the doctors are foreign-born, often from India or the Phillipines.  This is because the US government perceives a need for medical service in these areas and gives aid in paying back college loans, as well as for immigration, for doctors who serve these areas.  As a rule these doctors are welcomed, treated well, and considered to be important in the community--and every family wants their sons to marry the doctor's daughters.

>>19

... thats because "dey is one of dem gud sand niggers."

>>20
you make no sense

>>17

Arguments like these are always self defeating. Why should the person/people you're trying to convince have to prove you're point for you? Not everyone has the same experience, not everyones the same. The people that I've talked to who have worked/lived in japan for extended periods of time have never mentioned anything about out and out racism against them, but I'm not about to try to say that means there is no racism at all. Posts on internet message boards do not represent a majority of anything.

>>22

I think that many people have a hard time differentiating between the attitudes in "megaTokyo" and Osaka and other cosmopolitan cities, and the attitudes in the rest of Japan. Japanese people are fairly used to foreigners in Tokyo, and don't seem too put off by them. It's not an everyday occurrence to run into a foreigner, but then it's not a once in a lifetime experience either. And most people in Tokyo have pretty ordinary experiences with foreigners, so they don't have any misgivings.

But when it comes to the rest of Japan, people in other regions have basically never seen gaijin in the flesh. Even in larger cities it's unlikely to ever meet one. And so it doesn't seem irrational to perpetuate all those evil myths from the pre-war era. These are people equivalent to the backwards racists in the deep South of America. If you as a prosperous African businessman visit rural Mississippi, why would you expect not to receive some sort of racist treatment?

It's important to note that many of the people who are actively prejudiced are older folks who probably lived through the war and grew up in the time just after it when the gaijin were often seen as the source of all of Japan's troubles. To them there is no sort of glamour or sex appeal associated with foreigners, only starvation and deprivation.

Also, consider the type of people who are actively engaged in denying gaijin entrance into bars, hotsprings, etc. These are not people with college degrees, these are people who probably barely graduated from high school. They're continuing a family business, or they're running a bar because they couldn't find a better job in the salaryman ratrace. They're not highly educated, and are in the same sort of position that the racist gas station owner is in Podunk, Alabama.

>>14
>if they don't do something about that huge economic growth soon they'll have a very ugly bubble on their hands.

we're hoping for the famed 'soft landing' with china, in the financial sense and the political sense(as if they were seperate)

oh and RE: racism

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This type of thinking can always be defeated through the process of integration, racists always fear the labeled 'Outsider' 'Different' 'Derelict' person.
Integrating the said group into a whole slowly assimilating and making them common place helps to destroy such ways.
However this does not work that easily, as stereotypes provided by Peers, News, Media, Popular-culture, and Society at large Can prolong a racial bias towards a particular group.
Japan is still quite isolated. Like previous posts have mentioned western integration is quite small. It really does not matter the scale of the populous in question. Once a sizable amount of diverse ethnicity meld together and intelligence is added into the mix to shed the light on stereotypes. Progress can be made.

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In my experience (first came to live and work in Japan in 1985), discrimination against foreigners was at somewhat of a peak in the 1980's, in large part due to (a) the trade war with the U.S. and the negative media coverage of all things American during that time, and (b) a certain nationalist arrogance Japan was feeling at the time due to their economic dominance.

During that time, I was stopped by police for "bicycling while foreign" on many occasions, and a policeman stopping you while walking down the street and asking you for your gaijin card was far from unheard-of. In the many times I went apartment hunting, I had a 90%+ rejection rate just from when the landlord heard I was non-Japanese. The real estate agents even used the exact identical phrase when explaining it to me: "gaijin wa dame." Can't tell you how many hundreds of times I heard that phrase. I saw three specific notices at real estate agencies which read "pets, bar girls (mizushoubai) and foreigners not allowed."

I was once told to leave a restaurant as I walked in, and one video shop said I could not join unless I held Japanese citizenship. However, these two locations were both in proximity to Yokota base, and likely the reactions there were to the perceived unruly behavior of military personnel, imagined or not.

The media could be very bad. If you saw a foreigner on TV during that time, it was quite common for them to be portraying a criminal or AIDS carrier or something of the like. America was seen as a violent, crime-ridden nation. One drama had a Japanese couple visit Hawaii and suffer as victims of five different crimes in the span of a few days, including mugging and rape. One well-publicized TV movie, "Rosu no Dai-ikkyu Satsujin" (The First-Degree Murderer of Los Angeles) was "based upon" the story of a Japanese woman living in L.A. with her husband and two small children; her husband cheated on her, she found out, committed oya-ko suicide (took her kids with her)--her kids died but she didn't, and she was charged with murder. The jury sentenced her to time served upon understanding the cultural differences. But in the TV movie, the woman was made out to be a heroic victim, she did not commit suicide, but rather violent Americans started a fire which killed her kid and she was unmercifully disbelieved and sentenced to prison time. This was kind of typical of the era.

Sports was also a big area of discrimination. Foreign batters, brought in for their home run power, were commonly beaned by Japanese pitchers who believe that this was the way things were done in the U.S.--without thinking that rushing the mound and beating the **** out of such a pitcher was also the way thing were done. But the foreign players were blamed for the violence, even though a majority (around 2/3rds, I believe) of the violence was perpetrated by Japanese players, coaches and managers. But TV shows didn't reveal that--one sports show had about 20 clips of violence on the field, all but one of which was foreign players rushing the mound--and the last clip being of a coach shouting at an ump, followed by the announcer 'reasonably' admitting that "Japanese could be violent, too."

Sports magazines commonly changed the kanji for "gai-jin" ("outside person") to the homonym "gai-jin" ("harmful person"), and the term was used so commonly as an epithet that it had to actually be banned by the league.

In my experience (first came to live and work in Japan in 1985), discrimination against foreigners was at somewhat of a peak in the 1980's, in large part due to (a) the trade war with the U.S. and the negative media coverage of all things American during that time, and (b) a certain nationalist arrogance Japan was feeling at the time due to their economic dominance.

During that time, I was stopped by police for "bicycling while foreign" on many occasions, and a policeman stopping you while walking down the street and asking you for your gaijin card was far from unheard-of. In the many times I went apartment hunting, I had a 90%+ rejection rate just from when the landlord heard I was non-Japanese. The real estate agents even used the exact identical phrase when explaining it to me: "gaijin wa dame." Can't tell you how many hundreds of times I heard that phrase. I saw three specific notices at real estate agencies which read "pets, bar girls (mizushoubai) and foreigners not allowed."

I was once told to leave a restaurant as I walked in, and one video shop said I could not join unless I held Japanese citizenship. However, these two locations were both in proximity to Yokota base, and likely the reactions there were to the perceived unruly behavior of military personnel, imagined or not.

The media could be very bad. If you saw a foreigner on TV during that time, it was quite common for them to be portraying a criminal or AIDS carrier or something of the like. America was seen as a violent, crime-ridden nation. One drama had a Japanese couple visit Hawaii and suffer as victims of five different crimes in the span of a few days, including mugging and rape. One well-publicized TV movie, "Rosu no Dai-ikkyu Satsujin" (The First-Degree Murderer of Los Angeles) was "based upon" the story of a Japanese woman living in L.A. with her husband and two small children; her husband cheated on her, she found out, committed oya-ko suicide (took her kids with her)--her kids died but she didn't, and she was charged with murder. The jury sentenced her to time served upon understanding the cultural differences. But in the TV movie, the woman was made out to be a heroic victim, she did not commit suicide, but rather violent Americans started a fire which killed her kid and she was unmercifully disbelieved and sentenced to prison time. This was kind of typical of the era.

Sports was also a big area of discrimination. Foreign batters, brought in for their home run power, were commonly beaned by Japanese pitchers who believe that this was the way things were done in the U.S.--without thinking that rushing the mound and beating the **** out of such a pitcher was also the way thing were done. But the foreign players were blamed for the violence, even though a majority (around 2/3rds, I believe) of the violence was perpetrated by Japanese players, coaches and managers. But TV shows didn't reveal that--one sports show had about 20 clips of violence on the field, all but one of which was foreign players rushing the mound--and the last clip being of a coach shouting at an ump, followed by the announcer 'reasonably' admitting that "Japanese could be violent, too."

Sports magazines commonly changed the kanji for "gai-jin" ("outside person") to the homonym "gai-jin" ("harmful person"), and the term was used so commonly as an epithet that it had to actually be banned by the league.

Racism is a big problem in the world. The reasons for Japanese to deny foreigners service is justified in some situations.

You must know the custom of another culture in order not to offend the locals. For russians and "gaijin", the reason they are denied service at:
1. onsen: is because Russians didn't wash themselves before getting in the water.
2. bars: being rude, too loud, and even assaulting the Japanese.

That is what I have read. By denying service to "gaijin", the host can avoid trouble. If you can behave yourself and not make too much noise, show courtesy and respect to the place you are a guest at, then you would be very welcome.

In most cases, "gaijin" are allowed service if they are accompanied by a Japanese. This is because the host can rely on the Japanese to make sure the "gaijin" will behave and not cause trouble for their business.

This is not a racism, but the difference of culture. In some other cases, there may be a real case of racism. But this will not hurt the economy of Japan.

JAPAN DONT WANT GAIJIN WITH BIG AMERICAN PENUS STRETCHING OUT ALL THEIR TINY WOMEN

HOW WILL JAPAN MAN FIT AFTER AMERICAN MAN FUCK HIS PROSTITUTE!

ROROROROROOROROOROR LOL

NYU GIT TOUT ORF JURPAN JUO STOOPUD GAIJIN

I can at least slightly understand not allowing foreigners into places if they are unaccompanied by Japanese. What annoys me is denying entry to people BORN IN JAPAN just because they look different.

I think it's typically unfair anti-japanese article.
They didn't mention why Hokkaido people refuse russian in a bar or bath. They don't want them because simply thouse russian don't respect Japanese culture. They take bath drunken without washing the body, carring the soap in the bath tub, making noise etc... If they wish enter in those establishement, they should respect Japanese culture and behave!

>>6
I think the point was that prejudice isn't always based on race.
If some other forum was suddenly, say, invaded by /b/tards or vippers, I can see why someone there wouldn't be all that friendly if you mentioned that you came from 4chan.

>>31
"bicycling while foreign" ahahhaahhaahahahahah

>>36

That's xenophobia against russians you're talking about. Ironic, since you accuse the article of being xenophobic itself.

>>39

you don't know russians. they are HEAVY drinkers, worse than irishmen even.

In soviet russia, alcohol DRINKS YOU!

But only on Soviet Sunday.

>>39
I wouldn't say it was accusation of xenophobia, but more like a bias

>>39
I wouldn't say it was accusation of xenophobia, but more like a bias

And being biased is good how?

>>40
I live in a country that has over 1300 km's of borderline with Russia, we've lost a war against the late USSR (just like Japan with US) and not everyone has very positive sentiments towards
Russians. Yet it would be totally unheard of to see signs in any of the shops, bathhouses or other businesses barring entrance from Russians, let alone all foreigners.

so you are from finland isnt it? :)

I know. Those wapanese who worship Japan are so stupid. It's like Jews worshipping Nazis.

Personally, I'm not sure I'd compare it to "Jews worshipping Nazis", but I think I'll look into this more. Certainly interesting to look at from either point of view.

no one mentioned hiroshima and nagasaki

no one mentioned nanjing

>>50
>>51

no one cares

They should. The rape of Nanjing was a terrible atrocity. The American empire wasn't too nice, either, with its nukes.

They should. The rape of Nanjing was a terrible atrocity. The American empire wasn't too nice, either, with its nukes.

>>54 As always: Blame America, Blame America, Blame America. If you can't find a way to Blame America, then it's not worth talking about.

John Rabe saved Nanjing. But this is getting off-topic. Is there any other civilized country where putting up signs denying entry for foreigners goes unpunished? Or are the discrimination laws just a product of white man's collective shame that have no meaning elsewhere?

>Or are the discrimination laws just a product of white man's collective shame that have no meaning elsewhere?
What do you mean elsewhere? Japan has laws against discrimination.

>>57
What sort of laws are they, if they allow blatant discrimination like mentioned in the article? Or are they written just to please the countries who import Japanese stuff? You know, the laws are there but nobody really cares?

I don't know why wapanese like Japan so much. Don't they realize that Russia is far cooler? If it weren't for Vladimir Nabokov, a Russian, lolikon hentai wouldn't even exist unless they could come up with a name for it.

Man you all crack me up. The article was interesting the rest of you guys made the 10 minutes of reading worth my time.

Racists just make me want to wack them with a wood stick. A bunch of ignorant idiots they are. Baka.

Ah yes, I'm experiencing racism from Japanese on this very forum, actually. I try hard not to hate people and I believe in "do onto others as you would have do onto you", but I am begining to wonder if I should wave that in this case.

>>62
Japanese or Wapanese? I think there's a lot more of the latter in these parts.

>>63

Definitely Japanese. I've been told I'm a "fat, American shitbag" and such.

>>64
probably europeans

Racism is much more modest in Japan than Germany, France etc.

>>66
Are you really sure about that?

well, that kinda exclusionism actually exists, quite little though.
but also quite most japanese people are definitely disagreeing or criticising the idea.
and the "exclusionism" could rather be explained not to be racism but more a solution for realistic problems that accepting foreigners in certain place would sometimes bring.
one thing i'm sure is it's not about what race he/she's from, it's about if he/she's got certain manners in the place.
you know french restraunts do exclude people who would eat their plates with their hands not knives n forks.
anyway i think "japanese only" is absolutely wrong. they shoulda really used a better expression.

Ya they eyes look funny, they is gooks harharharh

Fuck this im going to /b/

>french restraunts do exclude people who would eat their plates with their hands not knives n forks
this has what to do with the fact that some japanese restaurants exclude all foreigners?

Come one come all, friends! Let us celebrate our separate ethnicities, beliefs, and genetics the new way! We must all go to Japan to learn humility, for in Japan, ALL foreigners are dumb niggers! 8D

^^^^^^^ except the glorious honourable nihonjin of course!!

I like how the article stressed the ECONOMIC importance of not discriminating, not the morality of it

It's also hilarious how they like to chide other countries for racial disquiet yet forget the treatment they give to, Koreans or Chinese


You still have a long long way to go, Japan.
Deny, deny, deny

All the apologists in this thread also need to remember that in the west it is very against the law to discriminate purely on race. If it were about not knowing how to use a knife and fork, fine. But race? Fuck off

And the next twit to pull out HURRRR ALABAMA obviously hasn't ever been to the southern states

I live in the southern states, namely florida, and its less racist down here than I've experienced in michigan or indiana, where they still, to my amusement, had klan meetings in front of the town hall. Whereas in florida, if someone of the redneck persuasion would call someone a darky or a nigger, would undoubtedly be gang beaten not only said darky and his or her friends, but by every hispanic person within a mile or so, there is absolutely no tolerance for racism. If you dont believe me, go to any store in florida and complain to management that an employee discriminated against you because of your race or that you were foreign, and get ready for that person to be fired/and or profuse apologies et cetera ad nauseaum.

>>75

I'm guessing it's because they had such actual problems, where up north they're seen as some sort of funny sideshow. Only the small small townships have any anti-this-person laws anymore, written or not.

>>I like how the article stressed the ECONOMIC importance of not discriminating, not the morality of it

An article or other means of conveying serious information _shouldn't_ concern itself with the "morality" of the situation it is reporting. That does nothing but muck up the facts.

>>77
also you'll sound like a womyn and degenerate into a discussion on feelings

>>78

The main aim of racism is to make people feel unwelcome, therefore it has everything to do with feelings. Hurrrrrrrrrr

They can serve whoever they want. But we sure have the right to make fun of their japanese stupidity/common sense

Threads like this scare me sometimes.  Then I remember my own experiences in Japan, two years ago.  I was refused from entering a bar all of 2 times in the entire 3 months I was there.  No one was out right rude or disrespectful.  I think for the most part people who don't care for gaijin just ignore them, and maybe on one occasion at a mall an attendant did that to me.  OMG I was so hurt!  Chances are he didn't want to deal with me because he knew there was a 9/10 chance that I wasn't fluent.

arudou debito got 2ch sued, fuck him big time!

The Japanese aren't racists, they just hate weeaboos who act like fags and don't shower.

I've lived in Japan and I don't think they're racist at all.  They don't think they're better, or hate people who aren't them (actually pretty nice to us), but they really really don't like others interfering with their ways. 

The correct term here is "extremely xenophobic".  And it would be much better for Japan to stop being so.

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They're not xenophobic either, they just don't like being insulted like normal people.

I think with them its partly their to teach their country to become self-sufficient and not rely on other nations to stabilize their economy as Russia was (and still is to a degree) so their country will not be effected by a major international Economic collapse. All countries should be working to this and rather than focusing sending aid to Foreign countries they should be raising their living standards... a huge problem is the European Union as well as the United Nation's which effectively take money from a rich nation like France or England (Now turning into a dump) and give it to poor countries like Poland and Ukraine. Whats going to happen when a huge nation like Turkey joins? That's the exact reason Switzerland and Norway are staying far away from it. Asia's going to be in a mess if the Asian-Pacific Union is put in place.

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