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Japanese racism will hurt their economy?

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-09 23:00


It's a big article, but a very interesting read.


http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fl20050104zg.htm

OVERSEAS EXECS TIRED OF REJECTION

Racism is bad business

Arudou Debito offers accounts of how "Japanese Only" policies are turning international business away from Japan

By ARUDOU DEBITO

The Community Page has commented at length on socially-sanctioned exclusionary practices in Japan. However, it has rarely touched upon their quantifiable, longer-term effects.

Exclusionism is bad for business. Why? Because non-Japanese residents are not the only ones affected by "no-foreigner" policies. So are visiting representatives of international corporations. This makes for unfavorable overseas impressions, not only of northern Japan (famous for its decade displaying "JAPANESE ONLY" signs), but also of the entire country.

"Most people coming to Japan nowadays are not here for big 'bubble-era' business, but rather as Japan fans. But after a few years and a lot of bad experiences, I often see them leaving as Japan detractors," said Simon Jackson, president of Northpoint Network Inc. in Sapporo, Japan's fifth-largest city, on the northern island of Hokkaido.

Jackson has extensive experience doing business here: A 13-year resident who created his own company from scratch, he has spent a third of his adult life building business contacts between Japan, China, Russia, America, Canada, and New Zealand and Australia, his countries of origin.

His biggest account, amounting to several million U.S. dollars, is between China, Japan, and Russia. The first two are interested in the third's untapped oil and natural gas reserves on Sakhalin Island. An energy-hungry Japan has great interests in keeping good relations with their Russian neighbors.

However, Japan's exclusionism is souring things.

"I have taken visiting Russian and Russia-based Western clients out on the town in Hokkaido. It's become quite normal to get refused service at even regular bars," Jackson said.

Particularly grievous is Susukino, Sapporo's party district and the largest of its kind north of Tokyo.

"Susukino is now essentially closed to foreigners. I'm not talking about hidden-away brothels in obscure corners and down back streets," said Jackson.

"I mean brightly-advertised shops on the main street, and even the bottle-keep 'snacks' where people go for nightcaps. We walk in, and before anyone even checks if we can speak Japanese, we get the crossed arms barring us entry."

The result? "My clients walk out with very bad impressions, which last a long time. Often when I meet somebody for the first time and mention I'm from Hokkaido, the conversation soon turns to the time they got excluded somewhere. Without my even bringing it up."

This affects their future business decisions.

"Some senior contacts at Western-run companies in Sakhalin have even told me that if they have any choice, they actively steer business away from Japan."

Jackson's most pathetic story is about a Japanese government-sponsored business trip to Sakhalin to promote tourism.

"The Japanese representative said to the Russians, 'Come down south, take a break and enjoy Sapporo's nightlife.' 'Not likely,' they said. They knew they'd be refused somewhere all over again. The rep promised, 'It won't happen again. I'll take you around the bars myself.'

"Guess what happened? They went to about 10 bars. Every single one of them refused them entry -- regardless of the fact that the Russian businessmen were accompanied by a native speaker, and a government functionary at that.

"The representative then tried to take them to his favorite watering hole, where people knew him. But the Mama refused them there too! He finally took them to a garden-variety izakaya chain and drank himself into a cold silence."

The reason for the Susukino Shutout?

"It's a hangover of World Cup 2002," said Jackson, recalling the famous England vs. Argentina game that anticipated alighting foreigners setting Sapporo alight.

According to two Susukino barkeepers, Japanese police took cops from Britain, Germany, and Italy from bar to bar, scaring shopkeepers with tales of soccer hooligans. "The police hinted we close down for the duration, missing out on one of the year's biggest business opportunities!"

Not all did. Many instead put up "Members Only" signs -- in several languages except Japanese -- to block all foreign custom. As the International Herald Tribune newspaper reported on Nov. 23, 2002, even a ramen shop displayed it -- on orders from the local restaurateurs' association.

Two and a half years later, long after the threat of hooliganism that ultimately failed to materialize, these signs are still up around Susukino.

"It was just a good excuse to justify what they wanted to do all along," sighed Jackson.

But the problem is not limited to Hokkaido.

"In Nagoya this year, I was invited to the Suzuka Formula One auto races as a guest of a Western company supporting this event for a long time," Jackson recalled. "Walking down the street in Nagoya's nightlife district with senior reps of this company, people on the street passing out flyers to their bars pulled their hands back when they saw us. We even got refused rides in taxis. That's pretty stupid. What kind of an image is that supposed to create?"

Jackson said this company is considering changing its support to the Shanghai Formula One because of this and other ill-feelings incurred.

"And Nagoya is going to be hosting the 2005 Aichi World's Fair? You're joking. Just more people to come to Japan and leave with a sour taste," he said.

Furthermore, it's not only visitors or residents who feel the alienation. Japan spends millions annually bringing people over on Ministry of Education Scholarships, and through organizations like The Japan Exchange and Teaching (JET) Program and the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA).

These people receive funding for wages, room and board, training, and research. They also have access to domestic technologies to boost Japanese business opportunities overseas.

"These people should be going back home and becoming de facto spokespeople for Japan. But many -- dare I say most? -- remember being treated like second-class residents. Especially those brought over from countries in Asia, South America and Africa," Jackson said.

"One of my Sri Lankan friends, who joined the Hokkaido cricket games I organized, told me cricket was the only enjoyable thing he experienced in his two years at Hokkaido University. I repeat: the only. What a counterproductive use of scholarship money bringing the poor guy over here."

Just how long does the Japanese government think it can get away with no redresses for discrimination, including a law against racial discrimination? Can it merely coast along on half-measures while prejudicial policies spread nationwide?

As lawsuits rack up involving refusals at a jewelry store, bathhouses, a real estate broker, a bar, and now an optician, the problem is getting worse. As www.debito.org/roguesgallery.html catalogs, a confirmed 12 cities around Japan have been found to have had "JAPANESE ONLY" signs up.

"Japan puts all this effort into bringing people over here only to turn them off," concludes Jackson. "It should also be safeguarding their right to spend money, do business, and live here like anyone else. All a foreign guest or businessperson has to do is walk outside and see what Japan really seems to think about them."

Japan can do better than this. It must. As the world's second-biggest economy, in a resource-hungry world, this is tragic. As Asian business prospects steadily shift to a growing China, this situation, if left as is, will only hurt Japan's future global opportunities.

The Japan Times: Jan. 4, 2005
(C) All rights reserved


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Name: Anonymous 2005-02-02 15:30

In soviet russia, alcohol DRINKS YOU!

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-02 17:07

But only on Soviet Sunday.

Name: Anonman 2005-02-02 23:28

>>39
I wouldn't say it was accusation of xenophobia, but more like a bias

Name: Anonman 2005-02-02 23:29

>>39
I wouldn't say it was accusation of xenophobia, but more like a bias

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-04 5:40

And being biased is good how?

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-04 9:14

>>40
I live in a country that has over 1300 km's of borderline with Russia, we've lost a war against the late USSR (just like Japan with US) and not everyone has very positive sentiments towards
Russians. Yet it would be totally unheard of to see signs in any of the shops, bathhouses or other businesses barring entrance from Russians, let alone all foreigners.

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-07 22:13

so you are from finland isnt it? :)

Name: K_x_uksami 2005-03-03 19:11

I know. Those wapanese who worship Japan are so stupid. It's like Jews worshipping Nazis.

Name: h4cl 2005-03-06 0:37 (sage)

Personally, I'm not sure I'd compare it to "Jews worshipping Nazis", but I think I'll look into this more. Certainly interesting to look at from either point of view.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-09 0:16 (sage)

no one mentioned hiroshima and nagasaki

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-09 12:59 (sage)

no one mentioned nanjing

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-13 14:22

>>50
>>51

no one cares

Name: K_x_uksami 2005-03-13 15:56

They should. The rape of Nanjing was a terrible atrocity. The American empire wasn't too nice, either, with its nukes.

Name: K_x_uksami 2005-03-13 15:57

They should. The rape of Nanjing was a terrible atrocity. The American empire wasn't too nice, either, with its nukes.

Name: Random 2005-03-13 22:22

>>54 As always: Blame America, Blame America, Blame America. If you can't find a way to Blame America, then it's not worth talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 3:28

John Rabe saved Nanjing. But this is getting off-topic. Is there any other civilized country where putting up signs denying entry for foreigners goes unpunished? Or are the discrimination laws just a product of white man's collective shame that have no meaning elsewhere?

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 4:48

>Or are the discrimination laws just a product of white man's collective shame that have no meaning elsewhere?
What do you mean elsewhere? Japan has laws against discrimination.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-14 9:18

>>57
What sort of laws are they, if they allow blatant discrimination like mentioned in the article? Or are they written just to please the countries who import Japanese stuff? You know, the laws are there but nobody really cares?

Name: K_x_uksami 2005-03-14 18:53

I don't know why wapanese like Japan so much. Don't they realize that Russia is far cooler? If it weren't for Vladimir Nabokov, a Russian, lolikon hentai wouldn't even exist unless they could come up with a name for it.

Name: Anonymous 2005-03-18 6:24

Man you all crack me up. The article was interesting the rest of you guys made the 10 minutes of reading worth my time.

Name: Hopeless 2005-03-29 13:33

Racists just make me want to wack them with a wood stick. A bunch of ignorant idiots they are. Baka.

Name: oopiitiii 2005-04-06 17:12

Ah yes, I'm experiencing racism from Japanese on this very forum, actually. I try hard not to hate people and I believe in "do onto others as you would have do onto you", but I am begining to wonder if I should wave that in this case.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-07 5:27

>>62
Japanese or Wapanese? I think there's a lot more of the latter in these parts.

Name: oopiitiii 2005-04-07 16:42

>>63

Definitely Japanese. I've been told I'm a "fat, American shitbag" and such.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-07 20:10

>>64
probably europeans

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-09 20:47

Racism is much more modest in Japan than Germany, France etc.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-10 10:18

>>66
Are you really sure about that?

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-10 16:23 (sage)

well, that kinda exclusionism actually exists, quite little though.
but also quite most japanese people are definitely disagreeing or criticising the idea.
and the "exclusionism" could rather be explained not to be racism but more a solution for realistic problems that accepting foreigners in certain place would sometimes bring.
one thing i'm sure is it's not about what race he/she's from, it's about if he/she's got certain manners in the place.
you know french restraunts do exclude people who would eat their plates with their hands not knives n forks.
anyway i think "japanese only" is absolutely wrong. they shoulda really used a better expression.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-13 13:02

Ya they eyes look funny, they is gooks harharharh

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-13 13:10

Fuck this im going to /b/

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-14 17:14

>french restraunts do exclude people who would eat their plates with their hands not knives n forks
this has what to do with the fact that some japanese restaurants exclude all foreigners?

Name: Vinz 2005-04-15 14:28

Come one come all, friends! Let us celebrate our separate ethnicities, beliefs, and genetics the new way! We must all go to Japan to learn humility, for in Japan, ALL foreigners are dumb niggers! 8D

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-21 18:19

^^^^^^^ except the glorious honourable nihonjin of course!!

I like how the article stressed the ECONOMIC importance of not discriminating, not the morality of it

It's also hilarious how they like to chide other countries for racial disquiet yet forget the treatment they give to, Koreans or Chinese


You still have a long long way to go, Japan.
Deny, deny, deny

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-21 18:41

All the apologists in this thread also need to remember that in the west it is very against the law to discriminate purely on race. If it were about not knowing how to use a knife and fork, fine. But race? Fuck off

And the next twit to pull out HURRRR ALABAMA obviously hasn't ever been to the southern states

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-22 10:53

I live in the southern states, namely florida, and its less racist down here than I've experienced in michigan or indiana, where they still, to my amusement, had klan meetings in front of the town hall. Whereas in florida, if someone of the redneck persuasion would call someone a darky or a nigger, would undoubtedly be gang beaten not only said darky and his or her friends, but by every hispanic person within a mile or so, there is absolutely no tolerance for racism. If you dont believe me, go to any store in florida and complain to management that an employee discriminated against you because of your race or that you were foreign, and get ready for that person to be fired/and or profuse apologies et cetera ad nauseaum.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-22 16:00

>>75

I'm guessing it's because they had such actual problems, where up north they're seen as some sort of funny sideshow. Only the small small townships have any anti-this-person laws anymore, written or not.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-23 1:23

>>I like how the article stressed the ECONOMIC importance of not discriminating, not the morality of it

An article or other means of conveying serious information _shouldn't_ concern itself with the "morality" of the situation it is reporting. That does nothing but muck up the facts.

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-23 9:07

>>77
also you'll sound like a womyn and degenerate into a discussion on feelings

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-23 12:10

>>78

The main aim of racism is to make people feel unwelcome, therefore it has everything to do with feelings. Hurrrrrrrrrr

Name: Anonymous 2005-04-25 16:22

They can serve whoever they want. But we sure have the right to make fun of their japanese stupidity/common sense

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