Can't believe my grandmother's been lying to all of us all this time!
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Anonymous2012-04-15 4:05
Genocide Denial detected. IP traced to Germany. Reported. xD
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Anonymous2012-04-25 14:30
>>1
Half a fkin century, and not _one_ of the revisionists has _ever_ fkin learned2spin?
Srsly; All of mainstream media has conditioned the sheeple to knee-jerk associate the words "holocaust didn't happen" with Nazi apologetics, and so therefore Nazis.
And so we the peolpe (yes, for the longest time, even me!) have been trained to actively shy away from ever thinking that it could be "the one crime the evil scumbag didn't actually do, but he's still evil".
Not to mention what the underlying …logic actually means. "Holocaust didn't (really) happen" equals "Nazis weren't evil"? Hey, that would mean:
- burning books for having the "wrong" content, isn't evil? The Nazis did this. So did the Church, during the previous centuries. This helped keep the dark ages dark (and long).
- censorship isn't evil? Show me one evil dictatorship that doesn't (didn't) censorship news and info! Really, show me _one_!
- the concept of "degenerate art" isn't evil? This was, after all, one of the key duties of the NSDAP, to "purify" German culture as well as race.
- the Chrystal Night wasn't evil?
- stuffing dissidents into concentration camps isn't evil?
FYI:
- I've yet to hear a revisionist deny any of the pre-war activities of the Nazis. Or even the concentration camps. Only that they were purposely death camps.
- The Nazis didn't seem to have much of a unified art policy, beyond that what certain NSDAP top brass didn't like, was "degenerate" and had to be harassed into non-existence.
- While the Nazis were kinda alone in using the _name_ "degenerate art", they were hardly alone in having the policy. Srsly, look at Rock&Roll (1950s, 1980s; "Satan's music"), cartoons (1950s; "seditious stuff"), hacking (1980s-; "omfg they're gonna destroy our computers and bring down civilisation"), filesharing (2000s; "stealing from those poor artists"), Anonymous ("hackers on steroids")…
Or rather, what the oh-so-not-rabid hategroups say about them;
Tl;dr: The Holocaust is the only thing (we're told) the Nazis did, that isn't done by others, especially the Allies. That's one reason it's so important to keep people believing in it.
As for how many, I found "One third of the holocaust" an interesting watch. Last I saw, it's still on YouTube.
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Anonymous2012-05-22 13:35
We will never know because it's forbidden to investigate holocaust, and we keep electing jews, and white ethnicities have the lowest birth rate and highest immigration, so we will disappear from the planet without knowing, but i think it's true, i saw it in the shindler's list.
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Anonymous2012-05-23 19:03
I heard they're giving the president of Israel the American presidental medal now. Apparently he's done a lot for peace. :)
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Anonymous2012-05-26 12:31
how many times does your pee split in half, george bush?
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Anonymous2012-05-28 7:37
You're a hoax
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Anonymous2012-06-06 20:49
As long as there is no 100% proof for me I do not believe anything. Why should I do? Because i was taught in school, or everyone says it? That is not how an intelligent being is supposed to think.. And what do you do for those who want to have a look behind the curtain? They are suppressed and stamped as nazi. It is not even false to question historical things you did not experienced by yourself, everyone can lie and the story is written by the winner.
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Anon your ass2012-06-06 20:52
Where's my fucking post bitch
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Anonymous2012-06-07 6:44
>>15
Having said that though, disbelieving something just because a significant portion of everyone else believes it, some claim to have experienced it (but not the fatal parts), and the main driving motivation is personal vendetta against the community who was said to have experienced, is not saying much.
If you believe history lies (intentionally?); if you believe first- and second-hand accounts are complacent in a lie; if you believe numbers lie; if you believe physical structures, and graves, lie; what is there to believe in and why should you believe in it? Answering those kinds of questions should reveal the specific breed of hypocrisy that person maintains; and, everyone maintains one: the denier, the compliant, or the solipsist.
The only thing that really matters is what fuels your hypocrisy: the pursuit of truth, hatred, or narcissism.
Because my grandfather was alive during ww2 and he remembers the truth. Just because it didnt happen in your life time and just because you didnt see it doesnt make it a lie.
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Anonymous2012-08-03 11:44
6 million!
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Anonymous2012-08-04 12:47
Too many US soldiers saw the Holocaust first hand and up close. It's sad to see Nazi fag play this card after we mocked his family situation. I know we hurt his feelings and all, but this was a very boring card to play.
We all know history is true so we win this argument by default. Unless he can post something that will change the world, he wasted his time. :)
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Anonymous2012-08-05 8:09
Holocaust? who cares! Germans own Europe right now anyway. If your people are dumb enough to be let bunched together in a camp. They deserve what happens next..
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Anonymous2012-08-05 12:59
>>23
Yes, and as a European person I am furious i tell you what.
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Anonymous2012-08-07 4:49
>>22
Some people don't deny that the holocaust happened outright, they just think that 6 million is quite highly inflated. Anecdotal evidence does nothing to confirm or deny that.
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Anonymous2012-08-11 8:05
>>22 Too many US soldiers saw the Holocaust first hand and up close
You mean, they were right there, INSIDE THE KZ CAMPS, watching (and doing nothing) AT THE VERY MOMENT that all those Jews were being marched into the gas chambers to be massacred?
Howsabout, atleast, thinking about the implications of your wording before you post?
Yeah, except for the millions of Jew carcasses discovered.
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Anonymous2012-08-14 1:47
>>26
Dude, you humor me. I can't make you not misinterpret words you don't agree with, eh? Too many soldiers saw more than enough. You can't erase history with fucktard logic so grow a pair.
You're not an intellectual. Get over it. :)
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Anonymous2012-08-14 3:02
>>27
Oh really. And where are these 'remains' now, physically. With dna testing proving they're biological remains of jews?
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Anonymous2012-08-14 22:30
>>28
That's the mirror you're talking to, I'm over here.
What the Allied soldiers saw, was the concentration camps. They were _then_ told that those camps been used specifically as death camps. (protip: there's a difference)
Not much evidence in itself; it's like someone says "this is the murder site" and then shows you an empty house, with no further evidence. That's something way different than "seeing [the murder] first hand and up close" (which, FYI, means "being a first-hand witness", as described in >>26).
This is not "twisting the words", it's "actually fkin _reading_ the sentence".
Also, dictionary. "Humor" is one of those words that mean different things as a verb than as a noun.
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Anonymous2012-08-14 22:44
>>27 millions of Jew carcasses discovered
(my emphasis)
Discovered where exactly? Isn't that what those crematoriums are supposed to have been for? Incinerating dead bodies (_in minutes_, where modern ones take hours), so as to explicitly prevent precisely that discovery from ever being made?
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Anonymous2012-08-14 22:58
>>31
Oh, how convenient for you expect every single dead person be accounted for 70 years after the fact after everyone involved in it is now dead. Remember how all those Nazis that were executed for the Holocaust stating that they were only following orders? Not that it was fake genocide? Eh?
While we're at it, I guess the Black Plague and WWI didn't happen either. Fucktard logic is fucking retarded. Prove to me it didn't happen, nigger. WE don't need to prove history was right.
It's on you, boy. Good luck trying to explain all those half dead Jews that were still in the death camps. I guess it was a weight loss program. LOL!
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Anonymous2012-08-14 23:20
>>32
Strawman fallacy.
How2avoid: Actually _read_ what you're responding to, instead of making shit up.
The question is not "why do people still believe in the Holocaust?" The mass murders by the National Socialist regime in Germany were well documented. Mass graves were found, and so fucking what? Woe to the vanquished. The victors write history, and anyone who believes any of the "evidence" presented at the Stalin-style show-trials of the German military leadership needs his head examined.
The question you should be asking is, what makes the kikes so special that White Western men should have died for them, when four million White Christian Armenians were murdered by the Turkish government barely a generation before, to which the West's response was a deafening silence? when thirty million White Christian Ukrainians were machine-gunned by Stalin's kike henchmen, the NKVD, barely a few years before the war began, likewise ignored by the West and outright denied by influential Western newsmedia (Jewsmedia) like the New York Times for decades afterward? Why did six hundred thousand Americans have to die as mercenaries in the kikes' cause, a war to save the kikes from a fate they brought upon themselves? Did the kikes think their pogroms against Christendom would go forever unanswered and unavenged?
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Anonymous2012-08-20 8:31
>>35
Oh the Nazi regime was a bunch of brutal criminals all right. And when folks like that go and stuff "undesirables" in concentration camps by the million, before and during a big war, then those camps are not going to be much of a priority when it comes to supplies like food and medicines.
Predictable results ensue.
Tl;dr: Nobody's denying that lots of people died. It's just that the death toll's been jacked way up.
But yes, the Jews seem to be nothing short of perversely holy in this matter. There were also, for starters, Gypsies dying by the gadzillion, but they've then kept being persecuted by the oh-so-not fascist regimens that were to follow the fall of the Third Reich.
And yes, like the Armenians, those are Christians. I.e. Goys.
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Anonymous2012-08-21 2:01
If the holocaust is true, why exists laws to punish people who want to study it or deny it? Why we need "law" for this? I'm a brazilian, and in 1980-1990 the Brazilian National Socialist Party (PNSB) here grew as fuck, just after the end of the dictatorship here, when democracy retook the power.
The jews came here and convinced our government to create a new law against the deniers of the holocaust and to the ones who only wants to study it. And now we cannot even talk about it. So, if the holocaust is fake, I'll be sad, cause I really want to see those Jews dead, they don't have NOTHING with my country, to just come here and create new laws against a policy party, against our people, and our democracy. The argument of the holocaust is "true" breaks when it reach the LAW that protect it with a fucking censorship and a Dictator State.
The holocaust is FAKE! There's no gas chambers and there's no 6 millions dead! The nazis can be evil? Yeah, maybe they can... But the holocaust, I'll never believe until I see the evidences and a TRUE Nazi Gas Chamber from the Concentration Camps.
That's what I think.
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Anonymous2012-08-21 17:32
Indeed. If the "Holocaust" is the truth of the historical record, why do the Jews constantly push for laws forbidding anyone anywhere from investigating or discussing the matter? There are people imprisoned in Canada and Europe for asking the wrong questions about the Holohoax--political prisoners arrested and put on Stalin-style show-trial at the behest of the Jews. Remember, there's no business like Shoah business!
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Anonymous2012-08-24 9:38
So, to summarise…
Frequently ignored facts:
- Stand trial for one murder, and the court basically says «Proof or it didn't happen».
- Stand trial for six million murders, and the anyone that now demands evidence, gets to be jailed for «racism».
And the proof that the prosecution is presenting, is even sketchier than the stuff we saw after 9/11.
FYI: Revisionists don't deny the camps were there, they're asking for proof of what actually happened in them.
But no, let's not let the Complete Monster be innocent of the one thing he didn't do, let's find him guilty of a crime even bigger than those he did do. Cos that don't diminish one single bit, the suffering he did cause, nohoho.
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Anonymous2012-08-24 23:08
>>39
So kind of evidence would prove what happened in the camps? and why is it more reliable than a different source?
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Anonymous2012-08-26 0:15
Ahahahaha
This thread is like every other OMG TEH CONSPIRASEEE thread on this whole goddamn website. It's really sad.
None of you morons could stand a minute in any of the Holocaust archives in America, or Israel, or Europe. You would get frustrated just looking at the names, the dates. Trolling from beyond the grave.
It's all there. Millions of documents of this shit. Pictures, testimonies from prisoners and guards. Walls and walls of every record the Nazis so meticulously kept.
But it doesn't matter. I mean, hey, what's a titanic tower of evidence and reality when a blog I read says otherwise? Tinfoil hats are impervious to reality, so I've come to see.
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Anonymous2012-08-26 9:14
>>40
You could start by looking at what's even physically possible.
Like whether it's possible to bury 800,000 dead Jews in a mass grave 100'x100' (30x30m), without having to go, like, half a mile down.
Or how their crematoriums were able to completely incinerate a body in minutes, whereas modern ones take hours.
Or the story about the engine from a _captured Russian sub_ was used to make the CO gas to kill inmates. (1: No Russian sub was ever actually captured by the Germans, 2: sub engines are heavy shit, and the camp in question was far inland, 3: Germans had industry of their own, and didn't need to capture enemy equipment, and 4: there are _way_ easier ways of making CO)
>>41 Pictures, testimonies from prisoners and guards
Yeah, I've heard about those. Pictures of people who inhaled some gas and promptly lost some 100 lb or whatever before dying. Srsly, take away that last little side effect, and you'd have the ultimate weight-loss cure EVVAAH!
(FYI: What _would_ cause such weight loss, is diseases like cholera, which was rampant in those camps. They're also time-consuming and painful (not to mention deadly), which is why it's not exactly recommended.)
Testimonies? Like the ones mentioning clothes piled 150' (50m) high? The aforementioned captured Russian sub engine?
FYI, those witnesses were rarely any real strangers to kangaroo-courts. They'll have known if they were in one, and maybe even try to plant a clue or two in their testimonies.
Myself, I'll just note the bad vibes anyone intelligent should get from the fact that refusing to believe is the only thought-crime you still can go to jail for in Europe.
Truth does indeed not fear investigations. It fears kangaroo-courts, just as kangaroo-courts fear the truth.
Just saying.
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Anonymous2012-08-27 0:21
>>42
You seem to have mistaken my question, so I shall ask again. What kind of evidence would you take as valid evidence of the Holocaust? for my part, I will also provided criteria of evidence I would determine is valid evidence of the non-occurrence of the Holocaust. We could go back and forth decrying each other's objections and postulations all day without a baseline line this.
For example, your reply to >>41 indicates that all evidence has to be valid for any evidence to be valid. If that were the case, episodes like Columbine and 9/11 wouldn't have conspiracy theories and all possibilities of people giving imperfect reports due to imperfect knowledge of the situation would not occur. We'd know the exact number of gunmen, guns, bombs, bullets, and people shot the moment they were used. But my major complaint is that by focusing on only the parts that strike you as ridiculous, you automatically reject even those that are reasonable as equally "ridiculous" despite the exaggeration you scoffed at not being present.
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Anonymous2012-08-27 5:58
>>43
«Focusing on only the parts that strike you as ridiculous» seems to be how defence lawyers work. Not because they personally want their client to be innocent, but as a way of forcing the prosecutors to provide, not propaganda and BS, but actual evidence.
Like I mentioned, there's what's physically possible in the first place. (Want a mass grave for 800,000 bodies? Start by securing enough space. Preferably more than 20' away from the camp's drinking-water supply.)
Also, there's things that are, shall we say, less than ambiguous. The existence of a KZ camp proves that there were KZ camps lying around (which nobody has denied). Pictures of starving inmates proves that the camps had little food to spare (big shock there; the inmates were there in the first place precisely because they were undesirables).
And there's testimonies that aren't blatantly inconsistent with realism (e.g. captured Russian sub engines 300 miles inland and stuff), or with reality (e.g. women's hair being cut to stuff into women's mattresses, rather than as louse control).
I don't need «all to be valid for any to be valid», I just want stuff that stands up to scrutiny. Like, without insulting people's intelligence instead.
As a kind of side note, how does nobody ever seem to notice how some people (like Europe's law makers) seem to think that over-focus on Holocaust as proof of Nazi evilness, somehow doesn't diminish the other evils the 3rd Reich is actually guilty of? Like the Crystal Night, or «degenerate art», book burnings &stuff.
Just for the record, I'm not (much of) a revisionist myself (hence the 3rd-person mentions earlier), I'm just allergic to bullshit. And when one side of a case can talk substantially longer than the other without insulting my intelligence, guess who I'll be listening to the more?
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OPISRETARDED2012-08-28 0:56
"The Holocaust is a lie" translates roughly to "I'm fucking retarded; I didn't graduate from middle school."
So many documents; so many records; if you really believe that a coverup is so expansive that it encompasses the entirety of WWII you have some bigger issues than just being a racist retard.
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Anonymous2012-08-28 5:35
>>45
After all this text, with external links etc, that sentence of yours translates into either "i'm too lazy to read" or "i'm so brainwashed that i'm now too scared to listen to anyone else".
And i'm not going to invite another trolling war by guessing which one.
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Anonymous2012-08-29 6:35
>>46
That feeling is the completely normal frustration that you can not convince people of something.
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Anonymous2012-08-29 16:35
>>47
Which particular feeling are you talking about now?
As for me, until a couple months ago, I actually bought the anti-revisionist BS that "only Nazis would find faults with the Holocaust story".
Then I overheard someone pointing out inconsistencies (while making sense), and then point out that revisionists don't deny the rest of the NSDAP's track record. Not to mention how they too hold the Crystal Night etc to be crimes.
And the more I look into those matters (which isn't all that much, I have this thing called "a life"), the more I see people atleast trying to be consistent, to keep to actual evidence, to be non-brainwashed.
Meanwhile, the ANTI-revisionists will still not fkin stop insulting my intelligence!
So if you want to "interpret my feelings" or somesuch, then this is the real one.
Tl;dr: I'm allergic to bullshit. Especially made-up bullshit from pigheaded retards.
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Anonymous2012-08-31 11:29
>>47,48 Meanwhile, the ANTI-revisionists will still not fkin stop insulting my intelligence!
Yes, that actually is the frustration to which I was alluding.
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Anonymous2012-08-31 13:55
Meanwhile, I checked what the wiki has to say about revisionism.
To my rather non-existent surprise, it was a rather monotonous assortment of Hilter-fanbois that got something like all the air-time¹. So much so that I couldn't stomach reading it all.
¹ Barring of course the opposition.
As opposed to, say, «He still did do all those other things, and he's still an evil prick, it's just that there's funny stuff going on with the evidence on that last count. Oh, and why is it such a thought-crime to even say that, anyway? If the evidence really is that solid, I mean?»
Or, for that matter, allowing Hitler to have been a statesman and a leader (not to mention a human being), as well as a Nazi dictator, without first needing to be a Hitler-fanboi?
But no, let's not let those get any air-time. That would blur up those fancy frontlines of ours. Can't have that.
I mean, it's all well and good to stress how bad he was and stuff, but after a point it just gets ridiculous. For starters, it's not exactly like he's the only dictator in human history or something…
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Anonymous2012-09-05 17:29
How can the holocaust be a hoax there were way too many people who died there and this is a bunch of bull you're probably just some stupid racist
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Anonymous2012-09-05 23:49
>>51
Right now I'm too tired of those knee-jerk anti-intelligent "rebuttals" like yours, to re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-iterate what revisionism is actually about. It's been spelled out repeatedly as it is, in this thread alone.
The fact that people like you, so pigheadedly keep on re-re-re-re-re-parroting bullshit, instead of ever actually fkin listening...
...well, in this case, reading. Posts that you're clearly either too lazy or too brainwashed, to actually read...
Gah. So many illiterate spamfags. So few braincells.
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Anonymous2012-09-23 23:31
wow the jidf is even worse on this board
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Anonymous2012-09-24 1:00
way to bump an old thread, faggot
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Anonymous2012-09-24 18:30
>>54
"Old thread" as in "started more than five minutes ago" or something? Cos it's been on the front page for ages.
("Old thread" usually means "on page 4-or-more")
>>62 AH-HAAAH! And those "plenty of bone fragments" cannot POSSIBLY mean ANY less than six million dead Jews, right?
(FTR: Even if you kill "only" a thousand Gypsies/Jews/whatever, that still leaves "plenty of bone fragments" in the ground wherever you dump them.)
As has been mentioned earlier: The existence of KZ camps proves that there were KZ camps in existence. Since the EARLY nineteen-THIRTIES. (i.e. a decade before those infamous gassings STARTED.)
Not to mention, when a KZ camp is run and operated by a brutal dictatorship (and let's face it: who else would?), you eventually get people dying inside them. That's where all those grave-sites come in, starting long before that infamous six million mark.
On a similar note: Those "Human Skin Lampshades" have never been actually proven, have they? Instead, when one such lamp did show up, DNA evidence turned out it was from a goat. ("Scape-goat" maybe?)
This kind of stuff seems to be happening whenever people go and collect real evidence.
Which is actually rare, because actually collecting actual evidence is actually strictly forbidden these days. Ever wonder why?