Lucid Dreaming

Anyone have any experience with it?

Sadly, no.

Yes, just once.  A very strange experience.  I'm told that it is very much dependent on how you fall asleep.

>>3
Really? Didn't know that. I just know that I make my dreams go the way I want them to quite often. Even if I don't become totally aware that it's a dream, I still essentially rule the world and command things to turn out the way I want them to.

>>1
You can learn how to do it. Look for Stephen LaBerge's books on Amazon. And no, this is no esoteric bullshit, simply a matter of training your mind and awareness of consciousness.

I had Lucid dreams about half a year ago,and my god was it beautiful.Hell,they were past lucid half the time,i could have sworn i was actually moving around even though i didn't move an inch.Creepy,but the dreams i had were to the point i'd almost like someone to put me in fucking stasis or something forever :S

I nearly always become too anxious and find myself isolated and my environment becomes deceptive and restrictive; I get claustrophobic.  In these circumstances, I usually try making my body yell for external stimulus to awaken.  This often leads to bogus awakenings and while I attempt to continue what I imagine I was always doing, soon the nonsense takes me out again.  For whatever reason I have a tendency to autofellate.  The other times  I prey on randomly generating females and force myself on them.  This never lasts long.  They soon lose their forms and force feedback and either dematerialize, or I apologize profusely.  These circumstances never end in climax.  Meanwhile, I explore massively sprawling urban campuses.  There usually are companions who are composites of acquaintances who accost me in tight quarters, often emerging from walls and from around corners.  Finding myself in a theatre, with a good crowd is not uncommon.  They often turn their attention on me and I take it as a cue to leave.  Sometimes I can fly, always eventually making hard landings.  If I lose control, accelerating upwards uncontrollably, I imagine some obstacle, usually power lines, collide and wake up.

>>7

SHOW MY FISTS OF FURY

>>7
Pretty similar to my dreams, but I have more control. I never consciously had goals to develop lucid dream powers, but I pretty much always become lucid at some point when I dream now. I can fly, float, teleport, spontaneously combust people, matrix kung fu them, crush them or rip them apart with my mind (or the Force, as I think of it), or just make them disappear. The same with any inanimate object. But it's not as fun as it sounds because nothing good ever happens. It's boring. So I usually just fly or run around and try to explore until I wake up.

I've heard all about people creating entire worlds and any situation they want and stuff in their lucid dreams, but it seems like bs to me. From my experience I'd say those things are created by the subconscious, and if you become lucid and mess with it too much the dream either just ends or turns into a dull lifeless playground. I mean I CAN do stuff like consciously summon people into existence, but it doesn't really work out, i.e. like >>7's experience.

>>6
Sounds like someone got lucky on the other side of existance.

>>10
You haven't experienced that? It's fucking awesome. If it WOULD last, I'd love to be left in a state like that too. It's almost limitless freedom. You can feel as if you are really doing the things you dream of. Like >>6 said, you can feel like you're moving even if you aren't.

I'd describe it as more intense than real life, yet not quite as physical most of the time. Kind of like directing your own movie and getting to actually play the role some of the time, though usually you're still just watching.

>>11
Oh I've experienced lots of things on the other side of existance, it's actually my area of study.

>>12
Like some branch of psychology in college? What's it all called anyways? The phrase you used, "on the other side of existence" is intriguing.

>>13
No, I do not go to college, I study on my own. What is...it? Called? Uhh, trying to understand the mind, perception, existance and being apart of some array or matrix (a 3dimensional number at the least perhaps, that's just including physics, it gets only uglier when you have to consider anything really past that) of existances which "theorhetorically" have to exist, just in a different existance, so how do we perceive one existance to begin with, we experience other existances sometimes, how is that even accomplished? Feels real in the moment of experience doesn't it? Ever had situations arrive twice over a span of time? In so much time how could one remember when it happened and how they've managed living the same situation for a second time experiencially but for the first time physically? Go as science or your local gollege or some shit, I bet they know all about it or are at least certain that they do, which I am certain as well, and really all ideas and concepts should be taken with a grain of salt to begin with anyways if you really want to think primarily if not always for yourself.

>>14
Hmm, then in the books and stuff you read, what conclusions do people reach? Like for example I thought dreams were really quite simple. If you're awake you can recall events, sights and sounds, even smells. And so when you're unconscious the mind just has no distractions so these images become all you see.

Sort of like drugs, it just tricks the mind into forgetting about reality and goes with the flow. If it's all basically a "trick" or an illusion, how do people see it as relating to anything more? The mind is totally capable of making up pure fantasy and nonsense, like when people go insane or are on drugs. So how does it relate to other worlds or existences?

A good example, I found, of how easily the mind is tricked is when it's dark or you're alone. You can so easily misinterpret things that happen around you and it seems totally real. Like my watch, when it beeps on the hour, one time I wasn't wearing it and I was sitting in a crowded room, I heard the beep come from my wrist yet it wasn't there, it was on somebody else. But I could have sworn the sound came right from my arm though, so my mind was entirely fooled because it had to interpret the information it received, process it and then hand it over to me.
I was so easily mislead.

>>15
>then in the books and stuff you read
Last book I read was East of Eden by Steinbeck.

>So how does it relate to other worlds or existences?
You have to consider what the sub/un/2nd consciousness is, especially what it does too because it never stops doing it, even if you can't see what its doing which is about a majority of the time and even then what you see is only what you experience and you are limited to only one experience, your subconscious on the otherhand probably has omnipotence there which means it can observe analyze and maybe even make decisions in a so far undetermineable amount of situations be they similar related or otherwise involving one's self. I wonder, what would be the purpose for it having the ability to do this let alone the fact that it probably does it always? Doesn't it seem like there's a little more to the issue than the fact that being able to even see anything about it is a "trick"?

>I was so easily mislead.
Yeah for a moment you existed in a derivative of existance, if only in your mind and if only for just a second but it seemed like a certainty didn't it? A different but similar you probably did remember his watch that night, and maybe the othe rguy didn't have it, what if for that moment you were in that situation but then the past changed and you didn't have the watch? Which technically the past changed twice for you, but it still happened, sure it was just a "misinterpretation" or "coincidence" in this reality, but wouldn't that mean you were interpreting a different reality in that moment? Who is to really say that it doesn't exist just because it isn't the one you are in?

I never act in my dreams. I'm always the narrator. I wonder why.

>>14

LAFFO! It's easy to notice you "study" on your own simply by reading what you've written. Go back to school you dropout.

>>18

School is for retards who don't know any better, the truly knowledgable find everything out for themselves, but do continue paying money and wasting your time to get a certificate to being a tool.

lol right stick it 2 the man knowlegde = power

>>19

laff

>>5

So basically, you keep your mind awake as you fall asleep?  I tried it, layed there for a while, next thing I knew it was morning again.

>>19
Whatever you gotta tell yourself to help you sleep at night buddy.
I got my graduates years ago, but feel free to continue talking about me as if you know me please. I mean we all know you just based on what you wrote earlier. That is, you live everyday feeling like shit and regret dropping out of school when everyone was better than you at everything!

>>23
Thank you for the kind words my dear sweet brainwash victim of the education ministry of whatever pussy ass nation you live under, it is nice to see that people can be manipulated to such a fine degree of uniformity. Remember, it's always got to be straight rather than gay, differentiation from the views of your thought group are wrong and all else is correct because you say it is so, you know me exactly just because you're some fag with a piece of paper, amazing, you paid a lot of money/wasted a lot of time having shit told toy ou instead of you finding out for yourself, that's a fantastic display of individual ability, the ability to get a loan and have no life, straight shit dude. Now you can go make lots of money for someone instead of just making a little bit of money for someone, I'm truly proud of you. Next let us build a home near the city, because everyone loves the city amirite?

I don't even know what the fuck it is, you're somethin special, you're relatively older than me, yet you care too much about what the fuck you think of me instead of what the fuck I am saying to your retarded ass, you'd might as wlel go register yourself one of those many wonderful regristration forums on the internet and try and get discussion like this there.

Who the fuck cares where a given amount of text comes from, whether they got the scholarship or whether or not lots of people know them or think they're really great? Just try discussing the topic instead of trying to talk down to me because I'm presenting a view you either don't understand or think is totally bogus, I'm so glad that your trip through the ministry's system was so effective, truly, it brings a tear to my eye to see how well they can do it to so many people, they really get you from day one, it's abslutely terrible when you think about it. But hell, why think about that, I'm the big graduate, I can work a lot and spend money to keep the war machine rolling, you're a damn fine patriot son, dubya would be fucking proud.

And only a few people are better tha me at producing volumes of text on demand, but of course, your post is just a sarcastic troll so what does it even matter, you're the same fucking person as me, idiot.

>>19

>>24

Read the topic title.





Now GTFO.

Back to the topic...

Never experienced a lucid dream. It's on recently that I have been able to recall my dreams with detail.

I don't have lucid dreams, nor can I control them. But I often get inspiration from them. Sometimes it will give me a pretty vivid image/idea for an art project I'm doing and when I get up I pick out the colours and make a rough sketch. The awesome thing is every time it's happened I've gotten top marks :)

>>19
>> School is for retards who don't know any better, the truly knowledgable find everything out for themselves, but do continue paying money and wasting your time to get a certificate to being a tool.

Lol, what?

Sounds like someone needs to spend a little money and schooling on their spelling and grammar.

>>28
Yeah actually, it is just that I'm not going to ever do it for English/American. Not when I could instead learn all that kanji I've been avoiding, and after the fact I'm fine with how I use text, majorly because tightwads aren't and fuck them, I'd rather not talk to such people. Go post on the college message boards or tuh facebook if you wanna talk to college kids, you're vet to them too, so they'll give you all that respect you demand with no warrant to me. Do fucking remember I'm Anonymous, and so are you, all your stupid little social standard in small chit chat and other pointless bullshit are over. Welcome to real discussion where anyone can say whatever the hell they want anytime. If you cannot deal with this I suggest you go back to dqn or /love/. Failing you didn't at least come from a reputable place, go the fuck anywhere, Science & Math or Books if you have to, I bet they love the Queen's English just as much as you do if not more, I'm too easy for you to troll so go raise your power level to 9000 faster somewhere else. Or maybe you wouldn't be able to handle them actually, so you just chill in lounge to bother me, that's fantastic, I'm glad the topic was brought up in your post instead of an attack on a statement, or rather just the person, all because it goes against what you believe in and have been told. Appearently you've never heard some phrases in American that are actually good, like for example "fuck what you've heard" is a really good one, it is straight, concise, to the point, effective, and all such other similar things, hell if I'll bother to read a thesaurus even though I could, and I only look up words when I can't remember how to spell them. Does Anonymous have to be eloquent? No, no one is, everyone who is goes somewhere else because of me, because of what I do to text, s if you're here then you would be no better yourself. So essentially you made a post to yourself (which is me, even though I would never suggest someone ever do such a thing) telling yourself that you need to do that. But it's easier for you to say it to someone else in the same situation than it is to realize about yourself, because when do you ever pay attention to yourself? How you think, recorded knowledge of conclusions that you yourself have come to, not someone else, what about that? I guess it is about being an individual but fuck that amriteguyz?

lol but fuck
lol butz




Anyways, about that tOPic.

Ok, so let's get this straight, I want it for the logs so I can laugh later. Everyone here agrees that it is impossible to experience alternate existances of variation or differentiation of any form size or occasion, right? Oh, also that those alternate existances never exist, as in we are the universe the only universe of existance of the only existance there is and god or this universe's existants run it right?

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>>29
All the same person! Lolz this guy is freakin psychotic!

>>29
mmmmmmmm....nice copy pastas

>>30
At least I do not start sentances with "Lolz"

unexplained-mysteries.com.
go to the forums and poke around for a while..there's a lengthy thread around there about some of the best methods/stories/etc.

>>ranting about the education system
It is crap, but it helps get a better job.

>>16
We can still do lots of kinds of tests to see how accurate or from what sources people's dreams are. Right? Like with "tricking" the mind, it's not that hard to reproduce those circumstances or something similar. And like drugs do, they totally fool the mind into believing it's reality.

About >>29 though, the reason I'd say we don't experience another or alternate existence is because dreams seem too much like our own experiences. They're drawn from things around us, and our own creativity and thereby limited to only that.

If we do have some other existence of state of being, it ends quickly, so what's the real use in it? Have people tapped into this and invented some new technology? I don't know of anything helpful or useful that's been pulled from these possible alternate realities or existences.

Lucid dream is just a freakin awesome way to explore your imagination. We get a free trip to "another world" every night and can manipulate it at least for a short time if we try hard. That's better than the pathetic ounce of control we have over real life.

Lucid Dreaming is one of the things people should start learning as soon as possible. It's great to be in control of your dreams, even if it is only once in a while. Considering people spend a significant amount of time sleeping, it'd be a waste not to learn.

Keeping a dream journal/diary will usually increase your ability to remember dreams. This should be done first. Sleeping shallow usually makes it easier to remember dreams, aswell. Lucid Dreaming isn't really difficult, but it takes a bit of training to be able to realize that you are indeed dreaming. There are various ways of achieving this, and it gets easier with experience. My favoured method is to try and count my fingers once, and then counting them again. Usually the amount of fingers will have changed. Once you realize you're dreaming, there are various things you can try. Flying is probably the all-time favourite, and is quite easy... But usually inexperienced dreamers will get anxious and wake up. Don't give up, though! You just need experience. Keep on trying and eventually you'll get it right! In some of the more 'intense' dreams it is very difficult to achieve awareness, don't worry, it's quite normal.

Considering this is 4chan, I guess I should cover this topic aswell; having sex in dreams is quite difficult, though possible. Your body will release adrenaline and your blood pressure will skyrocket, so obviously it is difficult to keep on dreaming. Shouldn't be the first thing to try, though it may be the most tempting of the countless possibilities.

As for experiences... The most boastful dream I could share with my fellow channers would be having lesbian sex. Becoming a girl and then engaging in hot girl-on-girl action is indeed the perfect way to utilize this control over your little reality.

>>34
You say they are always about our existance yet often they are very different from it, most of the time, differentiation from this existance is the standard in those situations, and experiencing it doesn't mean you exist in there in that state? Tell me how you define existance then.

>>29
Pity you can't put all that "text" expertise to work at your Macca's job.

>>24

haha this guy is a riot
too bad he is the type of person who competes in the special olympics

I tried it and it turns out the only thing that I remember to do in lucid dreams is have sex. I forget to try anything else.

>>37
What is Macca's? Text is a smaller word than language, easier to type when you're trying to rail out a 10 line break post.

I have almost master this teqniuqe and I enjoy it very much.

To me I have almost endless limatations.

(true story) I can do what I know. I know choclate surup, skin, and showers. Therefore I conjured up a chick taking a shower while drizling choclate surup upon herself!

I turned the sky purple once. That's about it.

>>41

Care to share some tips to mastery?

>>1
I have extremely vivid dreams and so does my mother. In fact, sometimes my father does also. My mom has said that sometimes she dreams she's telling people things and it seems so real she can't tell whether she actually has talked to that person or if it was just a dream. I have also been getting that a lot lately.
My mom has a theory though. My parents and I are all on anti-depressants, and I have been getting the dreams more and more the past few years since I started taking them. My mom thinks that it's possibly related to the dreams, as the medication continues to stimulate the mind even when we're sleeping, causing us to have much more vivid, and often quite disturbing dreams.
I had a nervous breakdown in school when I was twelve which lead to me being diagnosed as suffering from depression and anxiety, as well as autism and, as with a lot of sufferers of autism, OCD. I often dream that I am back in school, in various scary situations. It's very unpleasant.

>> I often dream that I am back in school, in various scary situations.
Makes sense. In dreams you don't pay attention to logic or "Wait, how did I get here again?" You just experience things. And fear is a very powerful memory and experience.

>>39
lol, that seems totally normal. Makes me wonder what women dream about though. Shopping, makeup and clothes?

>>36
My dreams seem very much like my life or what I've seen. I never dream about working at the bank like my sister does, because--wouldn't ya know it--that's where she works.

I define my existence by my memories and what I can see to be true day after day. If something happens once and I perceive it wrong or make incorrect assumptions, it's my fault. When I understand things wrong or get the wrong idea my perception of  reality may change temporarily but it's confirmed later on through repeated experience.

In other words, what I can prove by repeating it or checking with other people means it's true. That's my reality, that's what I know to exist. Anything temporary like a dream doesn't really mean anything. Sort of like being an actor and playing a superhero doesn't actually make me a superhero. I exist as plain ol' me.

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>>46
I like female bumps. Maybe I'll dream about them tonight *crosses fingers*

Not much to do with the topic, but I had a round-based dream (a nightmare to be specific) yesterday. It was like a tactical video-game, the dream would progress in rounds. My turn, enemy turn, my turn, etc. Sounds like fun, but really fucked up and creepy. A nightmare.

>>48
Slaughter the enemy in the first turn. That's what I do in my dreams. Last night I dreamt I was some action hero from tv and I thought "Now what would I do in a situation like this" with some guys chasing me. I grabbed some sword and stabbed it into the side of a truck aiming for the gas tank, then I reached to my back pocket, took out a pack of matches, lit one and tossed it at the truck. Boom, no more bad guys.

Take utter control and domination of your dreams. It's almost as enjoyable as the ones when you're in conscious (er, sort of) control of them.

>>49
  That's the whole basis of Lucid Dreaming isn't it?

  I wholeheartedly agree that it should be something learnt as soon as possible. You get the best out of nights that way.

  When I hit that "ping," as I like to call it, I try to go for a typical shonen-anime-like battle, simply ' cause I enjoy the adrenaline rush of fighting with otherworldly weapons and whatnot. Although, I do remember dreaming about having sex with a friend of mine.(I find that odd because I find her absurdly annoying.) The memories of that dream always cracks me up every now and then.

  I do remember two instances where I got "De-Buddha' ed" during lucid dreams though. I'd confront some shady figure who would then " break" me, then, worst off, " it"  would become capable of manipulating my dreams to it's own leisure. (On the first encounter I clearly remember getting turned into Shamal at some point. Jeesus, I get a spiking sensation in my spine whenever I think about that...)

Hmm, I never thought the guy whose dreams I invaded and took control over would post here, too.

>>51
You stay away from my head!!! >=(

It's just too fun... but don't worry, I've moved on to other people. ;)

CARLOS MENSTELIA!!

>>53
Granted you're free to visit anytime. I'd just add another voice in my head. (And I assume it's not like I can stop you.) Just, for the love of Hesus, don't morph my mental body. It's damn freaky!

>>55
Well, I was really looking forward to visiting you some time again and morphing you into david duchovny and raping you... but since you asked nicely, maybe I'll think of something else that would be fun,

So how exactly do you do this anyway?

>>57
I dunno how to get it to work frequently, I get it randomly, but someone said before it has to do with how you fall asleep. What I DO know however is that--while this may be obvious--it has to do with your mindset.

And to answer >>50 at the same time, what I dreamt that night (the action hero thing) isn't the same as lucid dreaming. Having a mindset that I'm invincible and I dominate my world in my dreams doesn't mean I actively took control. I thought about what I'd do, but didn't really feel and do it myself. In dreams where I take control I choose my actions, the same way as I do in real life, I think about them and then carry them out.

I believe it's mainly about the idea of having control, thinking about that, thinking about being aware in a dream, and eventually your mind gives in and lets you try it. Instead of losing control like you normally do, your mind allows you to (loosely put) "consciously" control the direction, much like a daydream.

I should read up on some specific techniques. Unless some Anonymous comes along and saves us lazy bastards the trouble.

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I, for one, would rather hear someone's direct lucid-inducing experiences, especially if it involves WILD.

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I'll add a few more cents if it helps.

I noticed that lucid dreaming occurs (in my case) a lot more often when I sleep in during the morning. More precisely, I wake up, feeling relatively awakened, then I just force myself back to sleep, usually takes me about half-an-hour or so. It dosen't happen when I do this all the time, but I realise it's much more easy for my mind to try and trigger it.

I wonder is this can be applied generally?

>>62
Longer REM cycles towards the end of sleepy-time. So, you have a long REM cycle and have fun dream.

... I'll pretend that I understood that, and walk through this door.

... I hope for your sake, that we won't meet again. (/Keeanu)

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>>65
ARE YOU THREATENING ME??

I like wet dreams... they're always fun

I guess I never have wet dreams because I masturbate so much...

Wet dreams > Masturbating

Lucid dreams > wet dreams

Too bad I can't have any ;_;

>>70
Nah, I'd disagree. Why? You can't exactly do ANYTHING in a lucid dream. For instance, the thing I usually most want to do is turn it into a wet dream. I can't seem to ever pull it off to completion, though. I think wet dreams are just more of a biological thing.

>>71
You can't even get laid in your dreams. How does that feel?

>>1
Oh hell yeah. For some reason, I've had lucid dreams every night for the past week and a half. One of the dreams was about me making out with my good female friend. Is this a sign or something? I think /b/ has fucked up my head, amirite?

>>73

Sweet.  Are these on purpose, or just occurring naturally?

I still can't do it ;_;

>>73
Watch lots and lots of scary movies and then tell us how great lucid dreams are.

Also. I wish I could have lucid dreams of making out.

im mildly narcoleptic, so i have a lot of fucked up sleep related problems, every single dream i have is lucid to some extent or another.

The most mindfucking thing is realising that although in your dream your standing, your real body is still lying down.

I can have sex in my lucid dreams..  without blowing my load in real life.

I have, many times, a good way to do it is set an alarm to go off at like, 3 AM, than every time hit snooze button..
If after about 10 times it doesn't work, give up..
There should also be a lucid dreaming .MP3, basically, after you fall asleep it reminds you that you're dreaming, only use at it 3 AM, not when you go to sleep.

i'm going to go to sleep in an hour or so, and it will be my first atempt at inducing a ludic dream.  any suggestions?  i think i'm going to try for WILD, but if that doesn't work, i've been counting my figers once every five minutes fot the past hour, and will continue to do so untill i go to sleep.  i'm asking for an idea for not panicing when i get that falling feeling, while i'm still concious, but about to enter rem.  i have had it happen alot, but every time it happens, i freak out, and wake up completely.  then again, i have never had it happen while trying to lucid dream, because i have never tried befor.  maybe i will remember not to freak out next time.

LOL I HAD ONE A FEW YEARS AGo

I had a wet t-shirt contest at school.

Well I am not an "Retard." You have no right to call me that if I made mistakes.  This site should have some rules about harrassments, threats, and name calling.  I am still in the need of more help in that regards.

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