I want to learn Chinese (mandarin). However, I don't just want to learn simplified (simplified sucks ass). I'm looking for some good sources for learning traditional and simplified characters. I don't care if I have to buy it or not, I just want the best that's out there right now.
>>1
Learn both Traditional and simplified. Its not that much harder and it will allow you to travel to places that haven't felt the full effect of Communism (Taiwan for example, that and you wont look like a retard to Chinese people.
Anyway, i recommend buying the "teach yourself" series book for Mandarin. also, take a class so your teacher can tel you how much you suck at pronouncing everything.
>>6
What would you most likely prefer to write: 学 or 學? Nobody needs this ugly complex shit.
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Anonymous2008-12-28 15:01
The only reasons to learn traditional are either
a: you're planning on working in Taiwan
b: you want to study historical works in their original form
c: you are an ignorant, pretentious fool who thinks knowing traditional will give him more "street cred", regardless of the fact that it has little practical application beyond the first two reasons.
I'd also recommend getting a good dictionary and making sure you know how to use it. I've usually found that Chinese/English dictionaries written for native Chinese speakers are better than those written for native English speakers.
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Anonymous2008-12-28 17:53
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Anonymous2008-12-29 11:14
>>7
Funny, 學 is one of my favorite traditional characters.
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Anonymous2008-12-29 23:15
>>8
as some one already stated. both should be learnt. It really isn't that much harder. the radicals are only slightly different and there are still places within mainland china that use Traditional
but yeah anyone who learns Traditional for reason C is a fucktard
How many kanji are being used in China now anyways? I don't think remembering the two sets will prove to be that difficult as long as the number isn't too great.
wtf? chinanoob.
the fucking main language of chinese is writtin in 漢字- Hanzi. in japanese =Kanji.
the japanese ripped off and butchered this characters and created katakana and hiragana because japanese people are too stupid to learn Hanzi.
tard.
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Anonymous2009-01-01 13:39
>>17
Wtf? Koreanoob. The fucking main language of Korean was, a long time ago, written in 漢字 - Hanja. In Chinese = Hanzi.
Then they discovered a writing system that completely owns everything else, and Hangul was born.
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Anonymous2009-01-01 14:06
>>18
I don't think Hangul is actually that amazing. I mean, I've heard linguistfags jizz themselves over how ZOMG IT MATCHES THE SOUNDS SO WELL I'M COMING JESUS CHRIST but after learning it, it seems just as awkward and clunky as the latin alphabet. Although the fact that Korean is the only language that uses it does it make kind of cool, as a novelty.
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Anonymous2009-01-01 14:11
>>16
There are big debates about this Chinese circles. While the number of actual characters in the complete dictionary is about 50k, many people throw around 5,000 as the necessary amount to be able to read a basic newspaper. Being able to read a book is another story. The hard part is that, although you Japfags have your kataktaktjaiotniogn and hiruhitokanuom to help you out with obscure or complex characters, Chinese don't really get any of that. Sometimes they put Pinyin on street signs and such, but most of the time if you don't know it, you don't know it.
yes, im aware, 세종대왕 and his men created a new writing system: 한글 hanGEUL, not Gul, ass.
btw,
<is korean.
I've studied the origins of 한글 and 한자 including 향찰 and 구결(입겿)
so. hm :)
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Anonymous2009-01-01 15:32
>>21
Oh my god, excuse me, Sir, for using the most common romanization method of Korean outside of Korea. Jackass.
And had those linguists actually studied some Korean, they'd know that there are a million+ small spelling and pronunciation inconsistencies in Korean that don't make much logical sense and that you just have to learn by heart.
>>1
The two major textbooks teaching Chinese to English speakers (NPCR and Integrated Chinese) come in Simplified and Traditional editions. But even if you think traditional look cooler, learn simplified first, unless you have an actual reason for learning traditional.
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Anonymous2009-01-02 21:32
>>But even if you think traditional look cooler, learn simplified first, unless you have an actual reason for learning traditional.
I'd say this is bad advice.
If anything, I would learn both at once. Why? Because simplified characters are simplified to the point of not making any sense when it comes to 部首 and 音符. If you learn traditional, you can easily learn the simplified version. The other way around is much, much harder.
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Anonymous2009-01-02 23:25
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Anonymous2009-01-02 23:50
>>28
Mandarin or Cantonese? Simplified or Traditional?
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Anonymous2009-01-03 0:25
>>27
Simplified to traditional isn't that hard. And telling a Chinese novice to learn both at once is just terrible advice!
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Anonymous2009-01-03 0:55
>>30
Why? If you're like me, it won't be any problem at all!
BTW, do any mandarin-speaking areas still use traditional?
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Anonymous2009-01-03 0:57
>>31
If you seriously say that learning both sets of characters is just as fast as won at a time, you're either a liar or a boastful idiot.
Oh wait... "BTW, do any mandarin-speaking areas still use traditional? .
Yeah, I'm gonna file you as the latter.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:22
>>32
I'm sorry that I am not an expert on where they use traditional and where they use simplified hanzi. Obviously I offended you by not knowing something that I assume everybody should know considering your reaction. If you could tell me, I would be grateful, as I would not offend anybody else with my ignorance.
Also, just as a side-note, I never said that learning both sets would be just as fast as one at a time.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:29
>>33
Taiwan. They use fucking 繁体字 in Taiwan. And you're still a failure for learning both at once.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:37
>>34
But they do not speak Mandarin in Taiwan, which was my original question.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:42
>>35
If this was an image board I would be reaction.jpegging you so hard right now.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:44
>>36
Alright, fuck it, I'm going to do it anyways.
>they do not speak Mandarin in Taiwan
(O_o)
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:46
>>36 >>37
If Taiwanese is Mandarin, then Scottish is English.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 1:49
>>38
No. If Taiwanese-standard Mandarin is Mandarin, then Australian English is English.
some regions use Hokkien dialect, granted. Or their accent is a little unorthodox. I once had a telephone conversation with a Taiwanese girl, we couldn't understand eachother apart from when we said '我不知道' and '我不懂你'.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 18:44
On this topic; do anybody know of a good electronic Chinese dictionary? Simplified, Traditional or both. Being able to see the stroke order of characters is important.
Also, any good, trustworthy stroke order sites online? I know of some, but they all give me different results for even the simplest hanzi, and they usually teach the stroke orders wrongly.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 20:58
Alright, it seems that my last message didn't get posted, so here we go again:
Anybody know of a good electronic Chinese <-> English dictionary? Traditional, simplified or both.
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Anonymous2009-01-03 23:06
Since Taiwan claims it's the whole China, to allege that their Mandarin is not the regular form is to BUY IN EVIL PRC CONSPIRACY
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Anonymous2009-01-10 23:00
new practical chinese reader really is excellent.
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Anonymous2009-01-12 12:49
>>37
yes, they do speak mandarin in taiwan. Lots of people can also speak 台語, but mandarin is the most common language in taiwan.
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Anonymous2009-01-13 0:39
>>41
I use this for Japanese, dunno if it has all of the Hanzi though.
I'm assuming the same character in Japanese is written the same in Chinese though.
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