Probably because it's way too centered on the Romance languages.
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Anonymous2006-11-23 4:35
Of course, there's always the question of whether any IAL can succeed. I don't think they can simply because there's too many nationalists and people who think that they're the tools of Satan.
That said, mi parolas Esperanton. Plejparte ĉar mi povas vojaĝi senpage per ĝi. Kaj ĉar ĝi estas amuza.
I'm seriously thinking about learning esperanto just to be able to use the Pasporta servo
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Anonymous2011-01-29 1:55
I'm in the process of learning Esperanto and I believe that it is a good way to explore language in general due to its simplistic grammar. It can be adapted to fit many other languages and have a more solid grasp on how language works.
>3. The reasons for this negative attitude are complex and belong to several fields. The reader who is interested in the psychological ones will find the results of a research on that aspect in "Psychological Reactions To Esperanto".
This is at least funny, since Rye's article is against Esperanto, but for conlangs [heself is an artlang maker] and Psychological blablablah is appliable GENERALLY for people against conlangs.
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Anonymous2011-02-03 19:24
Esperanto! >>11
The pasporta servo is fantastic, from what I've heard. I haven't had the time/money to do it, but it's a great opportunity. >>12
You're learning? Which course, and how far are you? I'd be glad to help, if you'd like! :D (devqqq on gmail) >>1
Ja, bonete. Kio okazis kun nia esperantoĉano? Iu devas revivigi ĝin. >>13
Artlangs are fun. FUN. Try it.
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Anonymous2011-02-06 9:52
Esperanto is fucking retarded
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Anonymous2011-02-06 14:27
>>3
I speak four languages...What's so bad about having fun by learning one that's useless?
To all the people saying Esperanto is useless, it's not.
Even if you don't plan to use Pasporto Servo, talk to people online, read Esperanto Literature, or attend the meetups/conventions- it is good for learning other languages.
Learning Esperanto for one year, and then French for 3 has been shown to give you greater fluency in French than a whole 4 years of French.
So if you are merely interested in learning ANY language, it makes sense to learn Esperanto first.
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Anonymous2011-02-22 11:53
>>19 So if you are merely interested in learning ANY language, it makes sense to learn Esperanto first.
no it doesn't
*Studies were done.* It's a FACT that learning Esperanto first increases fluency in subsequent languages even when less time is spent learning them.
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Anonymous2011-02-23 1:00
>>24
You make it sound like Esperanto is the only language that could produce this effect. I'm not even sure this "Esperanto effect" applies to learning languages that Esperanto isn't trying to be. Will it help me with my 中文?
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Anonymous2011-02-23 8:59
>>25 You make it sound like Esperanto is the only language that could produce this effect.
Any language will produce this effect, but Esperanto has been shown to be around 10x easier to learn than any other language. I'm not even sure this "Esperanto effect" applies to learning languages that Esperanto isn't trying to be.
Esperanto isn't trying to be any other language. In fact the intent was to be neutral.
inb4 "it's eurocentric": it's vocabulary has many european roots, sure, but grammatically it is closer to Russian and Chinese. Most people who call it eurocentric take a shallow look at the language. There are many papers detailing how non-european it is. Will it help me with my 中文?
China has one of the largest population of Esperanto speakers (~400,000), an official Esperanto news channel, and when they had a Chinese Esperanto meetup it made the record for the largest Chinese gathering of its kind. Why do I mention this? Because...
If the Chinese find it's easy to learn, more than any other language, and it has been shown to be more *grammatically* similar to Chinese, than European languages, I would say, YES. Learning Esperanto would help you with your 中文.
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Anonymous2011-02-23 11:47
learning any language will help with learning your next language, especially if they're related
it you want to learn Spanish, learn Latin, or Italian, and it'll make Spanish easier (much easier than it would be for just esperanto)
face it, nobody cares about your shit language
Yes, any language will help you learn the next I already said this (if you could pay attention)
But Esperanto is around 10x easier to learn than other natural languages.
When the students learned Esperanto for 1 year and then French for the next three, if that had been spanish instead of Esperanto they would have had to learn if for much longer, 3-5 years to become experts, and it would have defeated the purpose of learning French faster.
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Anonymous2011-02-23 17:27
>>28
first off, you don't need to master Spanish before moving to French, you could spend a year with Spanish then move to French
and you'd get more use from Spanish than Esperanto
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Anonymous2011-02-23 21:23
>>29
It's learning a language completely, and being able to communicate in it that makes learning the next easier. People who learn Spanish for a year won't be as fluent in Spanish as they would in Esperanto.
In high school people would take 3 years of Spanish, and be able to communicate somewhat but not fluently. People can communicate fluently in Esperanto in under a year.
You keep ignoring the fact that Esperanto is much quicker to learn. Instead of wasting time learning irregularities, and arbitrary rules you learn to communicate in a new way.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 11:49
>>30
>you learn to communicate in a new way.
yes, to the 100 other people that fluently speak Esperanto.
I'd rather be able to practice with native speakers.
I wouldn't mind learning Esperanto at some point, but the faggyness of the Esperantists is a real turn off
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Anonymous2011-02-24 12:31
>>27
Holy shit, why would I learn Latin instead of Esperanto if all I wanted to do was improve my information retention of Spanish? Do you know what Latin is like? (I've been teaching it to myself lately, and hot balls is it alot harder to pick up than Esperanto)
Anyway, this thread seems to be full of buttmad people who are against learning for the sake of learning. It's not like a person can only learn a small number of languages and then they are completely spent. I learned Esperanto on my own when I was 14 in less than a year and it has definitely been a huge help to me in learning other languages. Yes, any language would have this effect. But Eo is so simple to learn that it was like a warm up for my brain before I started in more heavily on natural languages. On its own, Eo has a limited amount of literature available and not a whole lot of speakers to converse with, but it was never meant to be anyone's primary language so that's just fine.
Anyway...Just relax, y'all. If there's any "useless" language we should be picking on here, it's toki pona.
I've never studied Esperanto. I think >>32 makes a lot of sense.
When we learn a language when young, we don't consciously understand the grammar, it is instinctive. The UK school system is dreadful at teaching English grammar, so when I started learning Italian in my free time I also had to learn the very fundamental concepts of describing grammar in any language - tenses/moods/conjugation. Now that I understand these concepts, I feel I could learn any language a lot more easily. I now have a framework that I could apply to a new language and "fill in the blanks" gradually in a structured way.
If learning Esparanto can easily give someone this grammatical understanding then yes that will definitly help them with future language-learning.
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Anonymous2011-02-24 17:28
>>32
Yeah, I took Latin for 3 years. I suppose Italian would be a better, simpler first language.
Still, the main turnoff is how faggy Esperantists are. They act like it's the perfect language
>>33
The US school system is just as bad. My Latin teacher in HS would talk about a tense or something and we'd ask what it was, and he'd reply "You should have learned that in English"
Well shit in English all we did was read shitty books
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Anonymous2011-02-25 4:09
>>31 100 people
Try 2 million. Even still, Esperanto can't become something if there are no early adopters. For an artificial language, Esperanto is amazingly successful, none other achieved anything close.
Even natural languages are backed up by a people, a nation, a military, and an economy as incentive. Esperanto has none of that and managed to become something, even if it's not much right now. It has survived centuries. Imagine what would happen if it hit a critical mass.
Is Esperanto perfect? No, of course not- but compared to natural languages its much better in so many ways. People will accept hundreds of irregularities in natural languages without blinking, and then laugh when they hear that Esperanto has some minor flaw that really has no practical effect on it's use.
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Anonymous2011-02-25 11:52
>>35
100 was an exaggeration, but theres not2 million speakers. 1 million is probably closer to the true amount
It has survived centuries
a little over 100 years, thats not "centuries"
Yeah right. Like to see you try that with Esperanto and Swahili or Chinese.
The reason that Esperanto helps with a forgein language is that it uses a pan-european vocabulary and indo-european grammar. Since most people are learning indo-european langauges, it helps. It just won't help you if the language is something else.
If you want to get good at any type of language, I suggest learning something like lating or greek that requires a good grasp of grammar. Get used to declining and conjugating and understanding case systems. Esperanto won't really force you to learn that the way classical languages do. Esperanto recognizes only nomitaive and accusitive. It won't help when you need to mark genative or ablative or dative cases.
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Anonymous2011-03-01 9:44
>>48
>implying Latin and Greek will help you with Chinese more than Esperanto
haha
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Anonymous2011-03-01 9:49
It took me a month when I was 15 to learn Esperanto to the point of being able to read most things written in it, about two months to be able to understand spoken things and write my own stuff. Two months of my time and it's subsequently helped me with learning and understanding different natural languages. Why does this bother you so much? o_O
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Anonymous2011-03-01 15:46
>>48
yeah but I want to use the language I learn
hence esperanto is useless
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Anonymous2011-03-01 17:30
>>51
Not exactly useless. I've seen it used on a lot of websites and software where translating into 7 or 8 languages would have been too expensive/time consuming. In those cases, its definitely very effective. Especially as most Indo-European speakers with an interest in linguistics can understand it.
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Anonymous2011-03-01 22:36
>>52
I'm and IE speaker with an interest in linguistics and I can barely understand it
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Anonymous2011-05-28 12:52
esperanto is a dead language
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Anonymous2011-06-19 8:14
Esperanto Didn't help the chinese to learn any other useful languages outside of there crappy country. Esperanto is still useless.
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Anonymous2011-06-19 8:17
English > Esperanto . Learn a real International language. Not some half baked artificial language like Esperanto. I rather learn J.R Tolkien's Elven language than Esperanto. Hell why not MAKE YOUR OWN that is not based on European languages. Esperanto still fails as a synthetic universal language since it's derived from European languages.
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Anonymous2011-06-19 10:06
It's unrealistic to expect that Esperanto will ever catch on. But it does have some really good features, like the way more complicated words can be built from simple elements easily.
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Anonymous2011-06-19 12:39
I think it was a good idea at the time, but I think it should be replaced by something else. I've studied both Glossa and Esperanto and looked over interlingua and either Glossa or interlingua would be better as an international communication because they have no declensions and no congugations. Folkspraak is also interesting but since most people don't speak a germanic language, it's limited.