Esperanto

Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton?

lol esperanto

Esperanto is so useless. Learn a fucking real language!

claro uno asi como el peruao el idioma peruano es muy bueno

>>3

Thread winner.

Esperanto fails at being an international auxiliary language.

HAHA OP FAIL
sage

>>5

Probably because it's way too centered on the Romance languages.

Of course, there's always the question of whether any IAL can succeed.  I don't think they can simply because there's too many nationalists and people who think that they're the tools of Satan.

That said, mi parolas Esperanton.  Plejparte ĉar mi povas vojaĝi senpage per ĝi.  Kaj ĉar ĝi estas amuza.

>>8

It's not the tool of Satan. It's just an idealistic experiment that went poorly executed.

That said:
http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/

>> 9

JBR's article was long ago debunked by a truly recognized expert in Esperanto, Claude Piron:

http://claudepiron.free.fr/articlesenanglais/why.htm

I'm seriously thinking about learning esperanto just to be able to use the Pasporta servo

I'm in the process of learning Esperanto and I believe that it is a good way to explore language in general due to its simplistic grammar. It can be adapted to fit many other languages and have a more solid grasp on how language works.

>>10
Piron made me LOL so much...

>3. The reasons for this negative attitude are complex and belong to several fields. The reader who is interested in the psychological ones will find the results of a research on that aspect in "Psychological Reactions To Esperanto".

This is at least funny, since Rye's article is against Esperanto, but for conlangs [heself is an artlang maker] and Psychological blablablah is appliable GENERALLY for people against conlangs.

Esperanto!
>>11
The pasporta servo is fantastic, from what I've heard. I haven't had the time/money to do it, but it's a great opportunity.
>>12
You're learning? Which course, and how far are you? I'd be glad to help, if you'd like! :D (devqqq on gmail)
>>1
Ja, bonete. Kio okazis kun nia esperantoĉano? Iu devas revivigi ĝin.
>>13
Artlangs are fun. FUN. Try it.

Esperanto is fucking retarded

>>3
I speak four languages...What's so bad about having fun by learning one that's useless?

>>14
>esperantoĉano

Kio???

Bonan vesperon

To all the people saying Esperanto is useless, it's not.

Even if you don't plan to use Pasporto Servo, talk to people online, read Esperanto Literature, or attend the meetups/conventions- it is good for learning other languages.

Learning Esperanto for one year, and then French for 3 has been shown to give you greater fluency in French than a whole 4 years of French.

So if you are merely interested in learning ANY language, it makes sense to learn Esperanto first.

>>19
So if you are merely interested in learning ANY language, it makes sense to learn Esperanto first.
no it doesn't

learn esparanto everyday!

>>19

I don't see it that way.  Esperanto is useless except as a model system.

>>20
Studies show learning Esperanto for one year and then French for 3 is better than learning French for 4 years.

So if you merely car about French (or any language) it DOES make sense to learn Esperanto first.

Nice denial though, not even trying to back up your half-backed argument?

>>22
It's not about "how you see it".

*Studies were done.*  It's a FACT that learning Esperanto first increases fluency in subsequent languages even when less time is spent learning them.

>>24
You make it sound like Esperanto is the only language that could produce this effect. I'm not even sure this "Esperanto effect" applies to learning languages that Esperanto isn't trying to be. Will it help me with my 中文?

>>25
You make it sound like Esperanto is the only language that could produce this effect.
Any language will produce this effect, but Esperanto has been shown to be around 10x easier to learn than any other language.
I'm not even sure this "Esperanto effect" applies to learning languages that Esperanto isn't trying to be.
Esperanto isn't trying to be any other language.  In fact the intent was to be neutral.
inb4 "it's eurocentric": it's vocabulary has many european roots, sure, but grammatically it is closer to Russian and Chinese.  Most people who call it eurocentric take a shallow look at the language.  There are many papers detailing how non-european it is. 
Will it help me with my 中文?
China has one of the largest population of Esperanto speakers (~400,000), an official Esperanto news channel, and when they had a Chinese Esperanto meetup it made the record for the largest Chinese gathering of its kind.  Why do I mention this?  Because...

If the Chinese find it's easy to learn, more than any other language, and it has been shown to be more *grammatically* similar to Chinese, than European languages, I would say, YES.  Learning Esperanto would help you with your 中文.

learning any language will help with learning your next language, especially if they're related
it you want to learn Spanish, learn Latin, or Italian, and it'll make Spanish easier (much easier than it would be for just esperanto)
face it, nobody cares about your shit language

>>27
*facepalm*

Yes, any language will help you learn the next I already said this (if you could pay attention)

But Esperanto is around 10x easier to learn than other natural languages.

When the students learned Esperanto for 1 year and then French for the next three, if that had been spanish instead of Esperanto they would have had to learn if for much longer, 3-5 years to become experts, and it would have defeated the purpose of learning French faster.

>>28
first off, you don't need to master Spanish before moving to French, you could spend a year with Spanish then move to French
and you'd get more use from Spanish than Esperanto

>>29
It's learning a language completely, and being able to communicate in it that makes learning the next easier.  People who learn Spanish for a year won't be as fluent in Spanish as they would in Esperanto.

In high school people would take 3 years of Spanish, and be able to communicate somewhat but not fluently.  People can communicate fluently in Esperanto in under a year.

You keep ignoring the fact that Esperanto is much quicker to learn.  Instead of wasting time learning irregularities, and arbitrary rules you learn to communicate in a new way.

>>30
>you learn to communicate in a new way.
yes, to the 100 other people that fluently speak Esperanto.
I'd rather be able to practice with native speakers.
I wouldn't mind learning Esperanto at some point, but the faggyness of the Esperantists is a real turn off

>>27
Holy shit, why would I learn Latin instead of Esperanto if all I wanted to do was improve my information retention of Spanish? Do you know what Latin is like? (I've been teaching it to myself lately, and hot balls is it alot harder to pick up than Esperanto)

Anyway, this thread seems to be full of buttmad people who are against learning for the sake of learning. It's not like a person can only learn a small number of languages and then they are completely spent. I learned Esperanto on my own when I was 14 in less than a year and it has definitely been a huge help to me in learning other languages. Yes, any language would have this effect. But Eo is so simple to learn that it was like a warm up for my brain before I started in more heavily on natural languages. On its own, Eo has a limited amount of literature available and not a whole lot of speakers to converse with, but it was never meant to be anyone's primary language so that's just fine.

Anyway...Just relax, y'all. If there's any "useless" language we should be picking on here, it's toki pona.

I've never studied Esperanto. I think >>32 makes a lot of sense.

When we learn a language when young, we don't consciously understand the grammar, it is instinctive. The UK school system is dreadful at teaching English grammar, so when I started learning Italian in my free time I also had to learn the very fundamental concepts of describing grammar in any language - tenses/moods/conjugation. Now that I understand these concepts, I feel I could learn any language a lot more easily. I now have a framework that I could apply to a new language and "fill in the blanks" gradually in a structured way.

If learning Esparanto can easily give someone this grammatical understanding then yes that will definitly help them with future language-learning.

>>32
Yeah, I took Latin for 3 years. I suppose Italian would be a better, simpler first language.
Still, the main turnoff is how faggy Esperantists are. They act like it's the perfect language

>>33
The US school system is just as bad. My Latin teacher in HS would talk about a tense or something and we'd ask what it was, and he'd reply "You should have learned that in English"
Well shit in English all we did was read shitty books

>>31
100 people
Try 2 million.  Even still, Esperanto can't become something if there are no early adopters.  For an artificial language, Esperanto is amazingly successful, none other achieved anything close.

Even natural languages are backed up by a people, a nation, a military, and an economy as incentive.  Esperanto has none of that and managed to become something, even if it's not much right now.  It has survived centuries.  Imagine what would happen if it hit a critical mass.


Is Esperanto perfect?  No, of course not- but compared to natural languages its much better in so many ways.  People will accept hundreds of irregularities in natural languages without blinking, and then laugh when they hear that Esperanto has some minor flaw that really has no practical effect on it's use.

>>35
100 was an exaggeration, but theres not2 million speakers. 1 million is probably closer to the true amount

It has survived centuries
a little over 100 years, thats not "centuries"

>>36
2 million is the common estimate right now.

Check wolfram alpha, it will give you all kinds of stats about Esperanto

>>37
even if it is two million, I'd rather learn a language spoken by more people.

>>38
then do so?

other people learning esperanto doesn't stop anyone from learning something else...

>>39
then do so?
I am
I'm learning Spanish right now.


other people learning esperanto doesn't stop anyone from learning something else...
No, but you people need to stop being such faggots about esperanto