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how do i became computar literate?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-01 19:47

On a serious note, how would I go about doing this? I'm not saying I'm a complete fucktard with computers, but I want to learn more than I already do. Lately, I've been wanting to get into programming again (before it didn't work out, because I didn't know anything about hardware), but this time I want to actually know what I'm doing. I know all the basics (TCP/IP, hardware, etc). What should I look at to learn more stuff?

help appreciated.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-02 7:17

hax your anus

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-02 8:24

read. that's pretty much it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-02 15:49

1. Read
2. Apply knowledge
3. ?
4. PROFIT!

Spoilers: 3. GOTO 1

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-02 18:03

(before it didn't work out, because I didn't know anything about hardware)
You're doing it wrong. The only time you have to know about hardware while programmer is if you're writing device drivers.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-03 7:19

>>5
No U. In general a programmer that doesn't know how the underlying machine works is worth shit.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-04 19:46

>>3
I've tried doing that, but I think I'm reading all the wrong things. lolz. I read sometimes, but I don't know what to read.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-04 22:22

Well I would start with books about computers and programming

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-06 15:08

two ideas to try:

1) You don't know what you don't know. A good way t find out what you don't know is t try to teach other people stuff; their questions will point out your lack of knowledge.  There are plenty of places where newbies ask for help.  visit those places and provide help.

2) Learn by doing. buy cheap shitty computers.  buy cheap shitty networking stuff.  try and make it work.  then, when you've got it working, break something, and fix it.  then, when you've fixed it, install a different OS on one of the boxes.  make sure you have a wide range of hardware and software.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-06 18:53

>>8
>>9
Tried all of those.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-07 7:58

>>10

What, then, are you trying to achieve?  You could get the boo "code - the secret language of computers" or the "art of electronics" and the "art of electronics - lab manual" and build a machine.

Building the machine means you really know what registers and addresses are and sorts shit out.

Find some open source project with bugs and fix those bugs?

Find some open source project, find the bugs, and then fix the bugs you found?

Try fuzzing (or whatever it's called) to discover security flaws.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-07 17:27

>>11
I just want to be able to define everything that I may see in any kind of discussion / programming topic. Like, for example, "registers" and "addresses" (like you mentioned). I basically want to get more in-depth with that kind of stuff.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-07 19:38

Okay.  In that case start small and old.  look at diagrams for early IBM PCs and the processors.  Look at old assembly language.

read a book like "code" by petzold.  find those old magazine articles about building your own computer.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-07 20:10

>>12
It seems like you need to start with this. http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/ . Be sure to learn all the information in the links and get back to us in about 4-5 weeks times.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-07 20:54

>>14
>>13
Thanks, I'll try doing both. *cracks fingers*

If anyone has more suggestions, I'm still taking. Never hurts to learn more.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-08 2:59

If you want to go more in-depth, try to find study material about micro programming. Most university courses I've seen use the 80486 or the Pentium for this. That's fine, they aren't too complicated but complex enough for you to learn a fucking lot about how modern processors work in detail.

Micro programming concerns itself with implementing the actual processor instructions on the chip. This includes controlling the memory and address bus, setting multiplexers, using the raw ALU instructions, setting flags and control registers correctly and such.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-08 7:57

right, okay.  The book "code - the secret language of machines" (or something like that) is a good start.  It starts way to easy - with switches and lightbulbs, but it quickly ramps up.

there are a bunch of "build your own computer" projects around.  A google search for "build your own microcomputer" seems to avoid most of the "assemble a bunch of PC parts in a case".

Here's a useful site:
http://6502.org/trainers/
http://www.hanssummers.com/

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-22 6:54

Any book by R. Stevens.

If you don't understand Stevens, read K&R, then Stevens.

If you don't understand K&R, go, study some theory first. To think of it, study some theory anyway because you obviously don't know any of it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-22 7:39

>>18
Way to be informative.

>>1
R. Stevens refers to W. Richard Stevens and K&R refers to The C Programming Language book by Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie. They both deal with low level programming topics that are fundamental to the IT systems we work it. I found it much more interesting to study diagram level electronic logic over the learning nuances of programming metal using the C language.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-22 8:26

>>19

There are things called search engines. You type a word you don't understand, and it returns some recently-defaced Wikipedia entry as the first match.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-22 9:26

>>20
While the term K&R returns a positivite result, Google really shows its worth for returning results about ``R. Stevens''.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-23 0:49

>>1
Or if you don't understand R. Stevens you could try reading some R. Kelly as he also has a lot of useful programming knowledge to share.

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Name: Anonymous 2008-06-05 23:29

what the freak 23?  >>23

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 1:33

true story

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 9:36

>>23

WTF? o__O

poor kid...

Wait, you learned programming by magic?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-06 13:54

obvious troll, you all have been trolled.

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