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Name: Anonymous 2006-12-03 21:10

What html program should I use, frontpage, dreamweaver, other...?

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-03 22:12

w3c specs + any text editor

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-03 23:21

Depends on how you want to do things. I find Dreamweaver's great for editing page content (WYSIWYG is good for that) but while it's pretty good at generating good code, you should always be double checking everything that's going on in the code view, and doing all of your design work with the source code exclusively. It also has the advantages of integrating FTP, a useful GUI that helps you learn CSS, etc. It's a good choice that HTML "purists" act like retards about because they think it still writes in HTML 3.2 like it did 8 years ago.

If you're fine with hacking source code exclusively, just get a good plain text editor and FTP client. This can be very subjective.

Stay away from just about anything else that makes code for you, though - this includes Frontpage. GoLive might be okay, though, but nobody cares about GoLive.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 0:31

It's not html3.2 code we're worried about, its the use of tables for positioning and font tags and shit like that. css is for formatting, use html to markup the semantics of the document

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 3:16

>>4
DW only uses tables and font tags if you make it use them. If you use CSS for formatting that's what it uses.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 3:33

>>2
LISTEN TO THIS MAN

>>3
Dreamweaver still writes worse HTML than I do, and doesn't give you the same degree of power. Also, it fails at real CSS (as in, cascaded, minimalist, etc), and CSS is more important than HTML.

>>4
As for tables, Dreamweaver uses far too many, but you can't completely get rid of them if you want a page that still works in piece of shit browsers (read: MSIE).

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 3:36

oh god please don't use a wysiwyg website editor. css + xhtml coded in a text editor only plz. if you're on windows, get notepad++. it has syntax highlighting and such for a zillion languages.

i'd recommend reading some recent, good css/html books too.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 6:08

>>6
Download a trial and update your perception of Dreamweaver, it uses CSS for everything by default and has for at least the last two or three versions. Granted, it generates really generic style names (".style1", ".style2") if you blindly use the formatting bar, but it's a good tool for getting the basics of a page down fast before later tweaking, as well as identifying specific elements of a page with that super-handy little tag tree thing down the bottom, amongst other niceties. I can appreciate that it's best to learn how to memorise every CSS property and HTML character entity code before writing a line of code for a new page, but to paint Dreamweaver as some sort of table-creating completely opaque bloated monster is inaccurate and ignores its benefits in terms of productivity, not to mention its qualities as a tool for learning more about (X)HTML and CSS.

It's not the best solution in all cases, but in conjunction with other tools and resources it works for me, and I think it'd be a good idea for someone like the OP who I assume knows the basics of webpage creation but needs coaching on the rest.

By the way, I kinda question your allegiance to "nice pure perfect handwriten code" if you believe layout tables are a necessary evil anymore. I'm pretty sure most people who write code have figured their way past that already.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 6:11

>>2
thread over.

If you rly want a css/html/php/jvscript/etc editor use Aptana
http://www.aptana.com/ it's opensource
http://www.aptana.com/screenshots.html < screenshots
http://www.aptana.tv/ < videos

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 18:35

>>9
gonna give it a try, thx

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-04 20:04

>>9 That looks nice thanks for the link.

Name: Anonymous 2006-12-05 17:36

I'm sure that WYS... editors are fine for individual pages, especially those with a small or limited audience, or that you intend to have online for only a short time, or that you need to create very quickly. Many people who suddenly want their own web pages will want them more quickly than it will take them to learn about HTML/XML and stylesheets, and a surprising number of people who take the trouble to learn still make very basic mistakes that an up-to-date editor would catch.

However, if you want to make your own templates, or maximize the accessibility of your page(s), or create a full set of pages for a large site, or use non-trivial scripting (both server-side and client-side), you will need to edit at the level of the elements and attributes and style rules yourself. Especially as HTML 5 and XHTML 1.1 with their surprisingly different philosophies on semantics and legacy readability become the standards for advanced pages.

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