>>40
Lies. They did practice gay sex in it's all forms, but outside pederasty it was just sex and it wasn't considered to be neither good nor bad thing. Pederasty however was considered important for boy to become man and it was more ritualistic.
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Anonymous2006-07-14 20:11
but outside pederasty it was just sex and it wasn't considered to be neither good nor bad thing
My understanding is that homosexuality was frowed upon unless you'd been fucking said person since they were a boy ("You can carry a bull, if you carried the calf."). Apparently homosexuality and pederastry were both illegal, but it was popular among the upper classes, which is the only thing we read about nowadays. Besides, Plato certainly did consider it a bad thing, so some people certainly disagreed with it.
But hey, it's an interesting topic, so if you can point otherwise, I'm all ears.
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Anonymous2006-07-15 2:51
>>42
Where did you get that they were illegal? That's very odd considering that atleast pederasty was practiced openly and there are lots of paintings of it. Some paintings also depict sex with men, but I'm not sure was it that common. Also if I remember correctly Spartans actually had gay batallion, but Spartans were technically another nation although they were Greeks too.
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Anonymous2006-07-15 3:01
>>43
Apparently both were legal, but there were people opposing them too. Pederasty was more liked though as it was ritualistic practice and it was believed it was needed for one to become man. Essentially there was sexual freedom in Athens.
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Anonymous2006-07-15 7:10
>>43
men of similar age/standing who had buttes relations:
achilles and patroclus
alexander and hephaistion
i was under the impression that men were allowed to have hetaeroi, male companions to occasionally have 'relations' with.
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Anonymous2006-07-15 11:21
The problem with using the above individuals as a standard is that they were well-known and powerful. Since the dawn of history, the powerful or famous have been given allowances as to their behavior. It's too bad we don't have any records of the common man.
Also, it's important to remember that ancient Greece was composed of multiple city-states, with different laws. Some allowed homosexual activity, while others did not.
This thread was pointless and there are female hating fags, and bitchey yoai fangirls.And noone cares about the vampire chronicles. ~End~
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Anonymous2006-07-19 11:50
Actually kings had relations with lots of diff men for example. Alexander. Hephaistion wasn't the only one. it was discoverd that there was another whom he loved and is believed to know him more than hephaistion ever did. and he was definitly not of equal rank. he was a slave well and ennuch. and he always had the room near him he was his butt boy of course. Hephaistion wasn't he's butt boy when he was king they loved each other but the sex stopped when he became king. they probably fucked aroung when they were kids.
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Anonymous2006-07-20 18:53
Ancient Greece = bumsex
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Anonymous2006-07-22 0:21
The greatest conquerors in history were into bumsex.
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Anonymous2006-07-22 9:32
>>52
How's that odd? Everyone knows that men are much better lovers than women. Women are just necessary evil for breeding.