The term sakuga contains no inference to animation at all. It means "work drawing" or "production drawing". A page of manga can be called sakuga as can a book illustration. The example at the beginning of the talk is exactly backwards. The shot of a sliding held cel is purely sakuga. The second example is sakuga with animation. Every genga-man produces sakuga, even the least able. However, not every genga-man produces animation.
>Addendum: I think I understand how the term sakuga has come to be associated with a certain kind of animation virtuosity. Fans who upload clips of their favorite scenes use the tag "sakuga" to make the point that the clip is notable for its animation technique alone, regardless of any other aspect of the project from which it was taken. It's a way of distancing one's appreciation of an animator's technique from the broader agenda of the work it serves. So it's like saying "I watch Tetsuwan Birdy for the awesome fight scenes. But I'm not the kind of geek who gets sucked into the cheesy drama."
- Peter Cheung on Anipages
Animator who has worked in American, Japanese and Korean animation industries.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:01
>>77 All it really means is animation, so I don't find it particularly useful, and I think it can be needlessly confusing and ghettoizes the subject, or sounds elitist, so I'd prefer to avoid it, but that's just me.
Ben is way too Hipster, I don't care.
I will just say sakuga because it's short and simple.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:08
I find it hilarious how some people are butthurt about the term "sakuga".
Get a life lel
SAKUGA SAKUGA SAKUGA SAKUGA
Who cares, some tend to say movies, some tend to say films.
. I mean there had to be a name for good japanese animation. If you want to invent a new word without any background, go for it.
People on /a/ get butthurt about all kinds of shit.
get used to it bro.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:13
The problem with the term sakuga is that it leads to misconceptions. Some people think it refers to sequences with smoother movements while another misconception is that of scenes done entirely by one animator (note that this does happen at times). My real problem with the term is the elitism that stems from it. I've seen posts on /a/ where people go "that isn't sakuga", despite the scene looking generally decent. It's as if there's a fine line to cross when you can just as easily say "This was animated really well/poorly."
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:15
also if the term sakuga would not have been used to describe good animated anime scenes, life on google would be difficult.
Try typing anything else except sakuga or an animators name.
You will not find anything related to watch you are looking for.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:16
>>86 while another misconception is that of scenes done entirely by one animator
I think I've seen that being mentioned on /a/ before
while another misconception is that of scenes done entirely by one animator
Sorry to interrupt you but in anime, an entire scene is usually done by 1 animator.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:18
butthurt all over my face
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:20
>>89
Cut's are often handled by one animator, scenes are often handled by many. Unless there are a few animators working on the episode then yes, entire scenes may be handed to a single animator.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:20
the talk about the rotoscoped piano scene reminded me of the tom and jerry short "the cat concerto". Go watch it if you never have, it has very nice animation/sakuga.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:22
I'm fine if you just want to say "sakuga" to mean good (Japanese) animation. Thats 100% okay. I use it sometimes as well, but only with that meaning.
But saying there's an actual "Sakuga style" or a "sakuga" form of timing? You're adding needlessly complicated jargon that will just confuse people. Yutapon doesn't specialise in a sakuga style, he specialises in animation.
Perhaps what that person should have said was
Instead of >I think finally animators are globally appreciating the sakuga animation style.
Say "I think finally animators are globally appreciating the great dynamic and flashy animation from Japan"
Because not all animation is flashy in Japan, you have many animators that have technical and realistic way to their movements, especially those that work on HQ movies.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:24
>>91 Cut's are often handled by one animator, scenes are often handled by many.
Sorry but I think you are very confused.
You just said the same thing I did.
Many cuts is what we call a scene.
Many scenes are what we call sequences.
these are facts from planet earth film history.
Again, one animator works on many cuts means the same as one animator works on one scene.
>>97
You learn all about arasan's animation style.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:39
>>101
I'm already arasan's biggest fan but I still don't know shit about animation
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:43
post gifs or videos, recommend something, I don't know, but please, stop shitposting
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:43
First time I write here.
This place is a shithole for discussions but I've been here since the beginning but only for the youtube links and all the other links.
The rest is just bananas.
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:44
>>96
Trolling aside, in my mind I understood scene and sequences to mean similar, but if you insist it is otherwise then I'll leave it to you. I was just thinking of scene in terms of films
"In Filmmaking and video production, a scene is generally thought of as the action in a single location and continuous time."
While a scene (with this definition) might have a single animator, sometimes it will be split up between several. It's not 100% the same in every production. That is what I meant to say.
>>107 >>104
I only try to post here because so many people have wrong ideas about animation and sakuga, since most people who actually know stuff refuse to post here, the misinformation just continue to fester.
Besides, you guys aren't really helping with the "Sakugafags are elitist" ideas since your posts clearly say you think you're way too good to be posting here. Wouldn't it be better if people who actually knew stuff contributed instead of just snarking from the sidelines "The discussions here are stupid I'm too good to post here"
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Anonymous2013-04-26 7:56
Just a question,
is it just me or is there almost no background animation around these days? http://youtu.be/KsOpNpNDWZs
And why is that?
There are still a few around, I saw a scene lately in LWA but that's it.
>>111
I'm not saying you are wrong, jeez, I even conceded to you. I was just explaining original rationale. This place is a shithole for discussions
Now I'm starting to agree.