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Animation Appreciation Thread #14

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-25 8:02

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Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 13:31

Miyazaki did uncredited KA for Ponyo, IIRC.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 13:35

Masashi Ishihama did animation direction for Shinsekai Yori.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 13:47

Did kawajiri did KA on Ninja scroll ?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 13:57

It's common for Directors who have animator backgrounds to do KA on their own shows. Bari also does it in his works(sometimes does it uncredited which is a bit weird).

I don't remember, was there Iso KA in DC?
Yes he did.

>>243
Yes

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 14:28

>>233
I've posted my foxreplace list in the past here, here's my most recent version: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?mwugeuoomx7df8t

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 14:28

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 14:42

>>231
D.I.Y. Animation by High School Students in 1985.
There's no fucking way that's by HS students. Some of that animation was mindblowing. Go watch the video guys, there's some impressive stuff there.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 15:05

>>247
Pick the dudes wich animated this shit
Put them on blu uru for animated dogfight and anime will revive all its glory

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 16:02

How are the sales of Evangelion Q
It should be awesome to be an animator to Khara right now

those guys are rolling on dollars
Damned anno

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 16:21

>>249

Animators don't get money for sales, only Anno does.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 16:47

>>250

And Tsurumaki, and Masayuki, and Sadamoto, and Enokido etc.
The guys involved in the creative process usually get a percentage from sales. The guys who act as craftsmen don't.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 16:57

Animators are artists not craftsmen.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 17:16

It's funny since Anno is an animator on Q too

If only indie animated movie could sell well , that would make some animator artist very rich.

Also sadamoto is a manga artist (eva manga wich sold well)
That guy is swimming on dollars

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 18:53

Sadamoto does more than just the Eva manga, tho. He does character designs for novels, movies and videogames.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 20:42

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 20:59

>>246
>>246

Thanks.

Name: Anonymous 12th 2013-04-27 22:26

>>254
Never heard of to do character designs would be hard work.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 22:33

Need more animation directors
http://i.imgur.com/kJYQHiX.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-27 22:45

RIP: Kyojin

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 4:22

>>253
No one is swimming in money in the anime industry.
Everyone eats the cake.
Only 10% of the sales comes back into the anime industry.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 4:24

>>255
so this is Miyazaki's new film.
Looks very mature.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 4:28

So now that the 3.33 BDs are out, is anyone making gifs?

I'd really like one of this scene (Asuka punching the glass) http://i.imgur.com/MNOZsbs.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 5:29

>>252

No, they're craftsmen.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 5:32

>>252
>>263

Or artisans. But not artists.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 5:39

What's even the difference?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:04

animators are economically not viewed as artists even if they actually are.
It's a very sad issue.

There is a financial reason behind that, if animators were considered artists some people would earn less money.
So it's this asshole issue.

I think it's very disrespectful to view an animator like Shinya Ohira just as a craftsman.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:07

>>266
even if they actually are.

Who is saying that they actually are?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:12

>>267
Art universities such as CalArts, Musashino, Gobelins or any other art school.
And also all the famous animation studios such as Pixar and Ghibli.
To them animators are considered as much as artists as painters.

But to the government, animators are just a piece of shit.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:12

Some animators, like any good artisans can transcend their craft and truly create expressive works of art, but that is rare. Animators in general are not artists though. The exceptions just prove the rule.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:15

>>269
How do you define an artist?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:17

So are all the charisuma animators like Inoue, Iso and Ohira considered artists rather than artisans?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:17

>>268

They're businesses that have no "choice" but to market the animator position as that of an artists. They're not artists. Animators use their craft to help in creating other people's works of art and entertainment, mainly the director's and screenwriter's. In an ideal work the screenwriter director is the author of the work of art. In real life, this is not feasible, so work is distributed to ateliers.

If you want a clear analogy to this, the Sistine Chapel paintings and tapestries are the work of Raphael as art, but it wasn't he alone that "constructed" them.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:22

>>268
If what you are saying is making sense,
then real actors aren't artists either, because as you mentioned,
they are following the script and the directors vision.

And if that makes more sense,
then everyone who works for the director or the visionary of the project is not an artists including the character-designer, the concept artists, the background artist.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:25

>>272
But the first sentence on the wikipedia article of Animator is this one

An animator is an artist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animator

Please send me an article where it say that animators are not artists.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:27


/a/ >  They're not artists.

wikipedia and art schools > An animator is an artist


Not sure wich one I should believe but since /a/ is a shithole I will go with wikipedia.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:29

>>273

You're just putting words in my mouth now, and following an analogy I did not make. That depends on the visionary of the project and how much creative freedom he gives to other members of the staff. There are directors who do, and then again there are also directors who control every aspect of the production, like Miyazaki.

I was only talking about the average animator, the majority of animators. They just do grunt work by dictation. In the process of making a film/TV series/etc. they are involved as craftsmen, not as creators. This is the stance I am taking.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:29

ANIMATORS ARE NOT ARTISTS YOU SUN OF A BITCH
Ohira is a shit ass fuck building labourer

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:30

>>274
>>275

Take your arguments from "authority" someplace else.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:31

>>276
I see, so it depends on the project and the animator.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-28 6:34

Anyone who views himself as an artist is an artist.
It doesn't matter what the society or anyone else thinks about him.

Andy Warhol

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