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Animation Appreciation Thread #12

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-27 12:38

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Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:06

>>450
I really love Tatsuyuki Tanaka's works. Cannabis Works is one of the best artbooks by animator I've ever seen.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:20

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:24

what death billiards is about ?

The hype of LWA is not deserved?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:44

The sakuga comedy slot with Azazel/Muromi-san delivered, now to see if Araki's Shingeki is good as well.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:47

>>642

Mari Okada a shit.

>>635

Why did you even feel the need to post hyperboly to make a point. This thread really doesn't need more passive-aggressive shit. What is even everything? Character design? LWA designs had more character, they were more unique, they had easily identifiable silhouettes; Death Billiard had pleasant art but the designs were pretty standard anime fare (complete with white haired bishounen). Backgrounds? LWA's varied, detailed, hand-drawn backgrounds aren't even comparable to Death Billiard's nice-looking but repetitive and modernly CG-filled backgrounds alive. Art direction? The amount of colors used in LWA is insane; it looks more polished than most anime movies. Writing? Death Billiards tried to be more "clever" but it kinda fell flat on its face near the end with almost every single line of dialogue being redundant and overly expository; LWA was more elegant in its execution, with no superfluous elements and ultimately making every single element of the story worth something.

Death Billiards is good, but there really is no need to sell it by comparing it to a completely different short film, specially in such a "poking the bear" type of way.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:49

>>642
very nice! thanks for sharing!

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:51

KO'd the shit out of 635 haha

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 12:55

>>645

what about arze rzelle?
Did it beat LWA ?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:03

>>635
Is it really? I haven't watched LWA yet, but I saw the first half of Death Billiards and I wasn't impressed with the animation at all (not to mention the ugly, run-of-the-mill character designs).

In case you're not talking about the animation, can you even compare the two? Genres look too different to me.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:08

Zettai Bouei Leviathan #1
Masami Goto, Hiroyuki Kitakubo
http://i.imgur.com/TmYbkRK.jpg

Gonzo power.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:11

>Hiroyuki Kitakubo

LOL

I can imagine it now, cursing and swearing as he has to draw "fucking moeshit" and occasionally shouting "I WON AN AWARD ONCE, I USED TO BE SOMEONE!!!"

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:15

What the hell? I was just saying that Death Billiards was fantastic, not that LWA sucks dammit. LWA was awesome. Holly shit dudes, you need to calm the fuck down.

muh yoshinari
muh trigger

What was so special about Little Witch Academia that you have to get so riled up over such a simple thing? Yes, the animation in Death Billiards was better too.  That single scene with the wires at the end was better than anything in LWA. The motion is more detailed in Death Billiards (okay, admittedly this is a stylistic choice since LWA is more cartoony and Death Billiards more realistic - but still, I'd say that takes more effort, again just putting that out there). The art direction was better (LWA wasn't that impressive from this perspective to be honest), the storyboarding was better by a fucking LANDSLIDE with a lot of cool stuff like the cool zooms and various other cinematographic (is that the right word?)  tricks that add an extra bit of panache to the visuals. It also played with layers in more interesting ways. LWA was very flat by comparison. It also liked the background animation in Death Billiards more (with the kid walking down the street) since it didn't rely on fucking cycles like in LWA (not that there's anything wrong with that of course, just putting that out there).

Overall, as fun as LWA was, Death Billiards was simply better technically.

but muh cartoony acting and designs

That's just a style. Death Billiards had character acting too and it was great. And the designs were all different, expressive and easily distinguishable. Sure, there are only 4 character so there's that as an excuse to put more effort into them but the point stands.

And no, I was talking about "everything" animation (aren't we in the sakuga thread?), not also about story/writing, characters, soundtrack whatever. If I were to take that stuff into consideration as well, I liked LWA a lot more. Difference between an 8/10 for LWA and a 6/10 for Death Billiards. So calm the fuck down.

The amount of colors used in LWA is insane; it looks more polished than most anime movies.

Bull fucking shit.

Death Billiard had pleasant art but the designs were pretty standard anime fare

Ha, so this is who I am conversing with. How typical.
That's a non-argument and a moot point. You're like those retards who claim all KyoAni characters look like keions.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:18

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:19

just so madhouse fanboys know

Dude, I'm pretty much the first guy (and only, as far as I observe) who talked about Death Billiards and Im no madhouse fanboy. I'm no studio's fanboy. I just like cool animation regardless who does it. Nice knee jerk of ya'll, seriously. If anything, there's a whole lotta yoshinari/imaishi/trigger faboys in here.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:20

muh

please leave.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:21

>>655
Make me.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:23

>>653

From tons of well-animated scenes, why did you post that one?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:23

>>653

that whole fight was great. almost every cut was golden.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:27

>>658
The fight was great, but the specific cuts post posted were pretty meh.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:31



I saw the first half of Death Billiards and I wasn't impressed with the animation at all

The animation was great. If you were not impressed by it you won't be impressed with LWA either, because apparently you're not impressed with good animation in general.

(not to mention the ugly, run-of-the-mill character designs).

There's your problem. /facepalm

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:33

so madhouse crushed down trigger?

can't believe it , they are back from ashes

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:34

Nobody crushed anyone. stop trying to start a studio war. trigger's still a ababy anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:35

>>652
>It's so much better than Little Witch Academia. IN pretty much every aspect.


Read your own posts bro.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:35

>>651

Serves him right.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:37

>>663

your point? it is, and what I was saying is "this shit so good it's even better than lwa, and that was awesome". tough cake.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:38

>>662
Okay , i'll check it !
What about arve rezzle ?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:39

>>657
>>658
>>658
because fuck you that's why

http://24.media.tumblr.com/464b9912cb9f7056ae9fd5cea6c6be10/tumblr_mktfdsk1lr1qdc388o1_500.gif

death billiards sakuga fight made me laugh so hard.
It had nice animation but not great animation,  whoever storyboarded this fight scene thought this show was a joke to him.

seriously, I can grab a lot more decent sakuga from DB, there is a lot more

All the choreography was based on "Cowboy Bebop The Movie" fight scenes-

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8f189e7b4df1ba9b57ac0dcc053b8803/tumblr_mktpc2URjs1qfzteso1_500.gif

Imagine Yutaka Nakamura had animated some of these shots, it would look so georgeous

http://24.media.tumblr.com/049be2d770d7876c8e2d06739de11fb1/tumblr_mktp3b590f1qfzteso2_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/7f8199fbf3c88d98b489b652f3995cbf/tumblr_mktoyfFtik1qdfvslo4_500.gif

Also, I'm not any of these guys who compare DB with Little Witch A.
but if I had to chose the best of Animemirai, it would be LWA.

but this shot was nice though
http://24.media.tumblr.com/0a2c62828c0b4bb0f331c43dd0a48fd6/tumblr_mktafcliXw1rkmjjzo1_500.gif sweet smoke sakuga

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:41

>>662

Because most people can't criticize things objectively so they have to justify their opinions by saying things they like are "better".

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:42

gorgeous *
choose*

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:42

All the choreography was based on "Cowboy Bebop The Movie" fight scenes

Since when. You're trying too hard.

Imagine Yutaka Nakamura had animated some of these shots, it would look so georgeous

they look great as is. maybe they'd look better maybe they'd look worse if yutapon touched them.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:43

>>666
What about arve rezzle ?
Watch it yourself and form your own opinion.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:43

>>668

That argument goes both ways my friend.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:44

Well... Shit.. SnK was pretty good as expected. What totally impressed me in some way was the storyboard. Pretty solid.

Oh and speaking of Yutapon, does he do outsource work?

I am praying he does since this is really one of the shows that will really work for his style.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:46

>>672
That's my point.
Both can't provide anything to support their arguments.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:47

fuck all the DB fanboys.
Little Witch Academia sakuga won the fight.

Just look at these sick animations and show me something like this on DB

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8798258911e89e30e82c36a96f1a1c40/tumblr_mkqu3cSIck1rjsp9zo4_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4f887ab45922208445cb0ae2f6f0fcff/tumblr_mkpq4yqaZA1rrjv8so2_400.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ac9dae6492d25c2441885760a37ec9e2/tumblr_mkn3qx3VuS1rdwij9o2_250.gif


http://24.media.tumblr.com/a24dcc7e83ba9a8d3083c681d40e46ce/tumblr_mkn3qx3VuS1rdwij9o5_250.gif

check out the background sakuga here, it's been over 10 years since I saw background sakuga. If DB had moving BG, they would just have moved one frame of BG and added some motion blur to it, but LWA fucking kills it.
http://i.minus.com/iXQXI8JpepsOM.gif

Trigger is not a baby, Trigger is fucking boss!

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:47

>>652
>That single scene with the wires at the end was better than anything in LWA.

The dancing at the beginning, all the running in LWA, the creature animation, the acid poison... all better.

>The motion is more detailed in Death Billiards (okay, admittedly this is a stylistic choice since LWA is more cartoony and Death Billiards more realistic - but still, I'd say that takes more effort, again just putting that out there).

Rewatch LWA. The motion in LWA is by far more detailed than the motion in Death Billiards: you hace characters randomly playing with their hands, characters looking around IN THE BACKGROUND while other characters do other things in the forefront, you have consistent LIP-SYNCH, you have crowds reacing in uniquely different ways to events. And the running near the end of LWA was realistic; even with the cartoony designs, LWA created a living world through animation alone.

>The art direction was better (LWA wasn't that impressive from this perspective to be honest)

The hand-drawn backgrounds by Studio Pablo were gorgeous.

>the storyboarding was better by a fucking LANDSLIDE with a lot of cool stuff like the cool zooms and various other cinematographic (is that the right word?)  tricks that add an extra bit of panache to the visuals.

Those zooms don't make the direction or storyboarding better. It doesn't even make visuals more interesting. I's flat out ridiculous to say "more tricks = better storyboard". Mamoru Hosoda doesn't use tricks. Isao Takahata doesn't use tricks. Oshii doesn't use tricks. Elegance > tricks.

>It also played with layers in more interesting ways.

No way. LWA had clever composition for CROWD scenes; it created crowd scenes filled with individuals moving and doing their own things without taking away focus from the main characters. The skill necessary to make CROWD SCENES is insane; there are even quotes from Anno and Imaishi calling it the hardest type of scene.

>LWA was very flat by comparison.

What the hell?

>It also liked the background animation in Death Billiards more (with the kid walking down the street) since it didn't rely on fucking cycles like in LWA (not that there's anything wrong with that of course, just putting that out there).

Akko sliding down the dragon was background animation and it wasn't a cycle.

>That's just a style. Death Billiards had character acting too and it was great. And the designs were all different, expressive and easily distinguishable. Sure, there are only 4 character so there's that as an excuse to put more effort into them but the point stands.

There was not more effort put into Death Billiards character designs or character acting.

>Death Billiards was simply better technically.

No.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:48

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:48

>>673
People believe that Yutapon did uncreditted KA for BRS.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:49

this scene itself is proof that LWA is the king of Animemirai  http://i.minus.com/ibn1gy1GBw6o1L.gif

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-06 13:49

I liked both LWA and Death Billiards and won't even compare them because they both deserve as much love as they can get. Let's talk about Muromi instead because it was awesome. Just watch the OP (starts at 00:40)

http://himado.in/138088

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