Animation Appreciation Thread #12

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>>40
Yokoyama didn't find a way

>>39

better late than never

>>40

Photo fucking Kano, that's what it is

>>39
this was released only on DVD, so no BD

Why?
Just WHY?

Just finished Niji-iro Hotaru. It was great, and I have to say that it was a sakuga movie through and through, not just because the animation was stylish and awesome (also the backgrounds and art direction were mind-boggling), but because the story is otherwise typical oscarbait, but is given new room to breath and feel fresh thanks to the visual execution alone (everything else down to the OST has been done tons of times before).
The visuals also are in full support of the main theme of the film, which unsurprisingly comes to layers upon layers of mono no aware discourses intertwined with each other. I like that stuff, so I liked it, but even if you don't care for that type of melancholic stuff, the effort that was made to convey it through every area of the film has to be commended at the very least.

I didn't identify animators or anything of the sort because I'm not really good at it, but there were a lot of segments of really lively and flowing character animation. The whole thing looked like Hisashi Mori's style, but it was also not as consistent due to the stark differences in timing between cuts. I see the animators were left to do their thing.
Ohira's scene was amazing as always, and I really liked the final sequence with the fireflies. Not technically amazing, but
the use of colour was really effective there and managed to pull off a visual spectacle while not losing the hand-made charm the film has going for it.

Also, the fact that it's only DVD doesn't hurt it at all. It looked pretty good (although the style probably helps that), and I'd even say it further reinforces the ideas of the film, lol.

>mono no aware discourse
shut up uou pretentious twit you have no fucking idea what you're talking about go back to neogaf

>>44
mono no aware discourses

wakarimasen pls translate


That aside, sounds good. Was it well-directed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woeqJgCybLM

Yasuhiro Irie

sonny

Different sakuganon here but yes, Niji-iro Hotaru was very well directed. It's been a while since I watched it but generally the style fits the scenes and the atmosphere and ambiance is very idillic, nostalgic  and transient/dreamy (= mono no aware).  I didn't like Ohira's rotoscoping though. And before someone tells me he didn't embellish a rotoscope with that scene: I'll smack your shit through the internet!~ That shit was rotoscoped. And butt ugly.

>>46
Some light spoilers ahead, so be warned.

I mean, everything revolves around reminiscing for the past, talking about how time passes and stuff comes to an end, and "living your life to the fullest because it's short". Stuff you can see in a lot of anime to some degree. The story takes that basic idea and develops it over different areas, like the village going away and being replaced by modern stuff, the fireflies and all the romanticism around them, the memory losing plot point, and the backstories of the two leads. They all revolve around letting go and moving ahead, while maintaining a sort of melancholy for the past. Even the final written message relates to this topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_no_aware
I'd have guessed most people are familiar with the concept, but whatever.

Yes, it was well directed. I'd say the storyboard was in service of the animation, with wide pans and static shots that made use of animated expression. It was all very succint, and maybe a bit cheesy in some parts, but nothing really wrong with it. The main appeal of the movie is still the animation, of course.

>>49
How do you know it's rotoscoped? It was classic Ohira fare to me, right down to the timing. And well, in a movie as stylized as Niji-iro Hotaru, suddenly going all realistic and heightening Japanese facial features was bound to be a bit disrupting, but I thought it fitted the context of the scene and was very good as animation by itself.

Did anyone see the trailer of The 2Queens?

>>51
How do you know it's rotoscoped?

Juts look at it.
It's obviously rotoscoped, you dumbfuck.
You must be a fucking idiot wannabe namedropping sakugafag to think that it's not rotoscoped.

>>51

The movement is uncannily real and the timing reminds me a lot of those limited animation rotoscopes that were posted in the previous thread on carcom. Also, the proportions and facial features are drastically different from anything else in the film but more importantly, look like outlines of real faces. It's just that the lines are sketchier, rough. It can't be anything but an embellished totoscoped. Don't tell me bullshit like "he used references" because the timing and outlines don't look like that when referenced.

The cuts also look way different than anything Ohira has done before, timing wise especially. The whole thing screams rotoscope. And I wouldn't mind it, but it's jarring and doesn't fit the scene or the film at all.

>>53

This is not me.

Ohira's Roto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijCanS8zJ70

Ohira's animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUkbrymrtiM

Learn the difference.

>>53
Fuck off, take your trolling back to /a/. This isn't the place shitposting.

This guy is better than Ohira
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIT87On4ktU

>>55

Exactly this is what I'm talking about. The first one is rotoscoping done on 3s, I'm sure of it.  He skipped frames when tracing. Compare with 57 which is fully animated rotoscoping. The timing is just too similar, just choppier. 

The second clip with them walking on the road and the mororcycle has such a strikingly different timing. That typical, skimpy but smooth, melty Ohira flavour in the movement. "Realistic" motion, but not really real.

Hi guys , i only know this faction of 4chan here

Is there some same thread where you can share your creations (flash games, drawings whenever) there?

I know it's off topic but i know some people there.
I mean , a cool place free of trolls and stupid posters

>>59

No such thing as place free of trolls on the internet.

>>59
a cool place free of trolls and stupid posters

Somewhere that's not on the internet.

>>61
More like somewhere that's not on Earth.

Ok then guys

thanks and sorry for off topic question

Megumi Kouno in Vividred finale

http://i.imgur.com/EAWX1Iu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hYxhRSX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t8rNJvJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kwVJxtt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MwNkn73.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lONQXgG.jpg

>>52 please answer my question. I want to see Inoue's animation so badly since this was announced. I saw some people filming the trailer at TAF, but there is nothing on youtube.

rotoscope
http://art47.photozou.jp/pub/360/237360/photo/130508251.gif

http://art55.photozou.jp/pub/360/237360/photo/130509709.gif

http://art63.photozou.jp/pub/360/237360/photo/130508368.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/573fdc84861da2df0fe7537e7963aa35/tumblr_meuq609THA1rqa1h5o1_500.gif


the entire Jin-Roh movie is rotoscope

http://25.media.tumblr.com/80b7af2cbf23a8918b3e8a242559c6ca/tumblr_mj3w3letRc1rvc7ewo9_250.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/5191e5eca315a3c230040f66310e8f06/tumblr_mj3w3letRc1rvc7ewo1_400.gif


http://25.media.tumblr.com/46716bf7678ff563b168aa463f503e90/tumblr_mhug8f91bq1rmynxyo1_500.gif

all realistic animations are rotoscope.

In fact, no one can animate realistic, it's like saying humans can grow wings and fly, it's bullshit as much as unicorns.

In waiting , you can see some old animated films of inoue
a tree of palme for example or tokyo godfathers

>>66

Dude you lost your mind


, something is really wrong with you

I mean , come on

Stop saying that (or you are joking i hope)

This guy looks like Ohira.
http://i.imgur.com/baLzcW7.jpg

>>55

the first clip does look pretty weird but it doesn't look roto either. I'm guessing Ohira was trying to keep things relatively on-model because doing his typical surreal heavy movement with deforming features wouldn't fit the context of the scene.

Hayao MIyazaki and Hideaki Anno talk about rotoscope and Shinya Ohira

http://imgur.com/l9XNHMW

>>71
Oh u.

>>71
Oh my god whoever you are sir, you are a genius.

a tree of palme is painfully boring

even if the animation was good, I couldnt sit and care about it

So yozakura quartet is getting more OVAS.

Hopefully the same staff remains and we get more awesome animation

>>74
Stop that
It was ...







good.

Okay it was kinda boring but animation was omg , loved the action and body movments.

>>71
I died.

>>71
Hats off.

I can't wait for the next /a/ sakuga thread and see this being posted.

>>66

You fail so hard it's not even funny. You fail as a troll, you fail as a snarky ironic poster, you fail at making a point.

>>66

It'  so easy to spot the timing difference between a rotoscoped sequence and scenes in Jin-Roh that your whole post is unintentionally bad in a way you did not mean it.