Animation Appreciation Thread #12

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Seriously, I can't believe anyone would think arasan gets work because studios thinks he's a good animator. If he didn't have his unique drawing style and all he had was his (pitiful) animation, no one would give a shit about him. No one.

>>358

Take all those MADs with a grain of salt. Anyone who claims they can identify this or that animator is most likely full of shit, unless that animator has a clearly distinguishable style like Ohira. Only trust official sources like genga books and the like, because a lot of animators are actually quite versatile and can adapt to the work , or they're just "your average animator" that is indistinguishable from anything. The identifiable animators are a very small minority. Neither Tanaka nor Abe have distinct enough animation styles, for a (relevant) example.

Arasan gets work because the industry is tiny. Just to quote Cindy Yamauchi, you don't need to be a good artist to work on anime at all. So there, you have it.

>>363
Yeah absolutely, he would still be able to work as an animator if he wanted to. But if it wasn't for his drawing style, how much recognition do you think he would get? If he didn't have his fancy drawing style, do you think we would still see his stuff in sakuga videos? Would people even talk about him at all?
In my opinion, no. His drawing style is really all he has going for him, and if it wasn't for that he would be just another of the many anonymous animators that work in the industry.

>>364

You're forgetting all those other animators that work in the industry and don't get MADs. The argument was initially that since Arasan gets work work he's good. Let's not shift the goalposts here. I was only replying to that argument.

As for Arasan having a "fanbase", well there's no shortage of people who are into things just to be into things, and people who like things because they're different.

>>365

Hear hear. Anyone who likes Jun Arai is a poser.

I think Arasan is a talented animator, what he does is pretty unique and stands out, it's not everyone's cup of tea I can admit. But he wouldn't be able to do what he does if he didn't understand the basics. A good comparison is that youtube guy Otaking, he very much admires the similar kind of animation Arasan strives for, but Otaking is self taught and hasn't really studied the basics all that much so Otaking's attempts at that 80s style come off really awkward, on the other hand, Arasan is someone who has worked on his art and skill before breaking out with his animation style a few years ago (2008 ish?) before that he had worked in the industry for around 10 years. Heck he's a graduate of Studio Giants. Note the word "graduate" - he wouldn't have graduated if they didn't drill into him the basics of form, perspective and animation.

His drawing style is part of his animation, it is undoubtedly linked. Split the two and you're going to be singling out a lot of animators.

Though I don't see why people say he's not good at animation, take this scene: http://youtu.be/NU3aZHL1inQ?t=24s
From Zetta Karen Children, the movement of the bullet, the moving backgrounds, the changing camera perspective.
Even this Needless scene: http://youtu.be/NU3aZHL1inQ?t=2m55s
I can't honestly say this is bad animation given it's a scene where there is a moving camera going through a perspective extremely uncommon for TV anime.

What's the deal with Arasan, calm down everyone. hahaha

>>363  "you don't need to be a good artist to work on anime at all."

That's true, but so is hollywood full of crappy people and any other industry.

Wherever you work, there will always be people like Arasan, and people like Okiura, but also people you have never heard of.

Arasan works on projects he can work on, so does Okiura or Ohira.
it doesn't matter, Arasan's fucked up timing is on purpose, he is too different and that's why some people hate him.

I think he is just trying to experiment the shit out of it.

Arasan's timing isn't on purpose. He just sucks at animating. Do you have any examples where his stuff doesn't move like crap?

>>367

Those two cuts are bad animation. The same identical timing as everything he does. Hold, fast change, hold , HOOOOOLLDDD SOME MORE, change. It's like everything is moving in saccadelike ways whenever Arasan animates. Everything is jump-stop jump-stop jump-stop. It's repetitive as hell and it looks like shit.

Ultimately, whether you like Arasan or not, he happens to be an important animator that well known artists rely on for key episodes and scenes. So hey, you might think that Kanada style is terrible, but don't even try to pull that he just gets around because it's cheap/anyone can work in anime.

>>368
Oh, I'm sure his fucked up timing is on purpose. It still looks like a way to cover up the fact that he can't come up with movement that makes sense or works in any way. He tries to mimic a style of animation but doesn't really get it, and fails spectacularly at movement as a result.

Go watch some Yoshimichi Kameda if you want to see an example of that kind of animation style done right.

>>371
You know whats funny, Kameda is a friend of Arasan, he drew a picture for him in one of Arasan's doujinshi.

>>296

One of the best =! the best

>>370
Kanada style is not terrible at all, it's great in the hand of the right animators. Problem is, Arasan is not Kanada style. Arasan is "I really want to be a fancy animator but I don't get movement" style.

>>374
Arasan draws with Masahito Yamashita's style. Go look up some of Yamashita's works on youtube, there are lots there.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E5%B1%B1%E4%B8%8B+%E5%B0%86%E4%BB%81
Arasan isn't some chump people hire because they have no choice. He has the respect fellow animators and seniors that acknowledge his work.

Do you think half of the animators on Ippatsu Hicchuu!! Devander would have worked on that OVA if they didn't like/enjoy/despised Arasan or his timing? Do you think the following would have come to Arasan's first attempts at a project where he could flesh out his style?
Hideki Kakita
Jun Arai
Masahito Yamashita
Masami Obari
Ryuji Shiromae
Shin Matsuo
Shingo Fujii
Takashi Hashimoto
Takeshi Itou
Yoshimichi Kameda
Yoshitaka Kohno

>>375
Still think the only reason he's respect/wanted on specific projects is his drawing style. His timing, his movement, his animation in general is laughable.

always though this was animated by Koji Morimotoさん http://youtu.be/T2I5WKiIvf0?t=4m11s … Morimotoさん told me that it's done by Takashi Nakamura. great work！
via Bahi

Arasan should just put shading on other people's drawings instead of doing animation himself. It's the only thing he's good at, but damn he's GOOD at it.

>>369
"Do you have any examples where his stuff doesn't move like crap?"

yes here, when the punch suddenly stopps, it has Okiura quality.
http://youtu.be/NU3aZHL1inQ?t=55s
it shows that arasan can also have a normal timing.

>>377 who is Takashi Nakamura (is he related to Yutapon?), can't find any of his other animations, but seems like he is a sick animator. The background animation in that bike scene is like something Ohira would do now, but that scene was done back in the 80s when Ohira wasn't Ohira. This Nakamura guy must be the first Ohira.

>>380 actually this brings me up to an interesting topic.
There are so many other interesting animators out there, but sadly we don't know much about them since their clips are not listed on sakuga wiki, nor on any sakuga MADs. I would like to see a Takashi Nakamura MAD.

If anyone knows more about him, let us know.

>>380
>>381

Takashi Nakamura was character designer and animation supervisor on Akira. Says enough about his superior skills.

I think the reason why his animations are not well known is because his career is focused on him as a director and designer.

>>380
Go to anipages and search for his name in the box, you are right in thinking Ohira was inspired by him.

Anyone who has seen Dangaioh know who did this bit?
http://youtu.be/IqpNdba7uEY?t=2m7s
The bit where it stands up from all the dust, it looks like its done on 1s...? It doesn't look Obari, maybe it's Takashi Hashimoto?
http://youtu.be/IqpNdba7uEY?t=2m45s This bit looks more like Obari I think.

>>358
https://twitpic.com/b52dyk

The genga book confirms it's Abe, and the effects are a giveaway

I don't recall any sakuga MAD guessing it was some other animator who was responsible for that cut anyway

http://blog-imgs-54.fc2.com/r/a/k/rakusyasa/20130210yoshinari1.jpg
http://blog-imgs-54.fc2.com/r/a/k/rakusyasa/20130210yoshinari2.jpg

Yoshinari NewType interview

pic.twitter.com/8yLPYsyndx

Shingo Yamashita directed and storyboarded NS OP#13

Is this his first time directing?

He's directed an ED for Naruto and Birdy before

why arasan is bullied only there?

>>389
ただ一人の釣りと思います
殆どうアラサンは嫌われない

>>390

It's not just one guy. I am one but not all anti-Arasan posts are mine.

holy shit that new naruto opening was fantastic

loved every second of it

>>392
Link ?

>>393
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ95ytoNaj0

though I really recommend downloading a HD version of it

When will KyoAni ever be on the same level of creativity as the folks on trigger....

Just finished Tamako and they're so inconsistent with OC.

>>395
Trigger have only created two things so far. A silly low budget web short and LWA - which was funded to be a training project.

That new Imaishi show is probably where we will see the true power of Trigger.

That said, I wish KyoAni would break out of their comfort zone. I guess with Kyokai no Kanata they are trying that.

New Naruto intro is amazing. Well done Yamashita.

>>394
That's some pretty stylish stuff, reminded me of yama's solo ED he did for the show a while back combined with ep 167(but more on-model). I like it.

>>395
>>396

Come on, not this shit again please. Animation thread remember? Those things don't matter here. I personally hate the living shit out of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan (it's shit, fuck anyone who disagrees [insert joke here]) and I'm not too fond of Little Witch Academia, Panty & Stocking and whatever else Imaishi and company were involved in (except maybe Dead Leaves which was retarded, harmless fun) and I can't stand the westaboo vibes they have (thank god all their lot got quarantined in trigger and the gainax folk I like went to khara - I'm 100% honest here).

That being said I can still apreciate the animation which is, in itself, really fucking fantastic (which is why I even watched their stuff even though I do not like their stuff per se)! End of story. Live and let live.

Holy shit yamashita. I love his style but this is really the best I've seen from him.