Datorrents banning and stuff

dude im fed up with the DA team beanning people with misc ip addresses and leechers etc.

heres the goddamn workaround:

1) get a friggin USB thumbdrive

2)use another IP to dl the torrents

3)dont fuggin dl the damn torrents on THAT com

4)put the .torrent files into the thumbdrive

5)take it back and leech away!

why does it work?

DA torrents uses a php script/whatever that scans for leecher IP's and bans the ip on their tracker for BT

BUT

No ones stupid enuff to use single tracker torrents right?(rarely)

so just connect to the best alternat tracker !

DUH.

in before sage

How about seed sometimes and not leeching you worthless fuck.  People like you just hurt torrents.

>>3
agreed, die in a fire OP

or you could just seed the torrent, y'know, since that's kind of what you're supposed to do

what are you talking about i leech to the maximum and i dont get banned, i delete the torrent as soon as its done downloading and they never do shit to me

Kill >>6 with fire!

FUKIGN LAMERS YOU NEED TO UP THAT SHIT TOO

>>1
im doing that right know
i just dont fucking care about seeding ;')

That's an awesome idea! Then everyone can do that, and-- oh, wait, you're right! The community would die! Silly me.

Heres one,

A. We DONT have a script that bans people, we have an LPO team.

B. We only ban on huge leecher ratios

C. If you are registered you get a 10 day advanced warning.

D. If you are unregistered and banned, they point you to the forums, where you post on being banned, and usually you are unbanned.

Now I dont know how anytone else would see it but I think thats more than fair. We dont go off and just say "omg leecher die". Every lpo points their bans to the forums and more than half come through and we usually end up unbanning them. My staff is very easy to talk to and they are never rude. But you dear sir, seem to have not even given the effort to try to be unbanned, and if all you want to do is leech and not give back to the anime community thats serving you, then maybe you ought to try using xdcc bots on irc.

I have to agree with the OP.  The banning is ridiculous.  Torrents with datorrents trackers happen to appear on other sites which I find to be better at organizing and more catered to my needs, so I never actually log onto datorrents to find my own torrents.  Therefore, I never actually saw the warning (since I never go to the site), and now I have a perma ban.  Seems to me that you want everyone to be dependent upon your one site.

Also, while I agree that people should seed, some people (ie. me) are physically incapable of doing so.  I have used many different speed tests, such as:
www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
reviews.cnet.com/7004-7254_7-0.html
www.dslreports.com/stest
and all give me about a 80 kb/s download and 7 kb/s upload (I use Verizon DSL).  It is virtually impossible to meet the upload ratio reqs.  IMO, you should put user IPs through a speed test (your own, so they cannot lie), and use that to roughly gauge the requirements of each person, instead of creating global standards.  It seems ridiculous that someone with an OC3 line (which is what I'll have in college) would have the same requirements as someone with DSL, or worse yet, 56k.

i dont think you should bother dling much with 56k...

That workaround wouldn't work.... you know why? because that second IP that's leaching would get banned. Then if it's banned, it cannot connect to the tracker. Even though there are DHT on some .torrents, not all... and you are shit out of luck if you want a .torrent that doesn't have dht enabled

To think I gave you some of you leechers a second chance on DA
Omg you would bring up your speeds as an excuse, Thats absolutely no excuse whats so ever. I have purposely continued seeding a torrent to ppl with slow conections as they could enjoy as much as I did, because I remembered being on Dial-up and how tough it was to seed back but I always did. Well this one seeder that you ticked off if your not on there list your not getting thing from me I have that pwr with my client and now I will use it. SEED OR DIE worthless leech who only feeds off of others!   

To introduce myself, my name is Ether and I've been on DaTorrents LPO/Forums staff for a while now.

First off, I would like to say, that the argument about not being able to meet seeding goals is not in the least bit valid. My upload speed is horrible, and my download speed is great. Yet, I still maintain above a 1:1 ratio on DaTorrents. Why is this? Because I choose to give back to the community. The simple moral rule of this is that you should give back what you take.

Above that, we don't even require you to keep a perfect ratio. We only consider those who are leeching to a fantastic degree for banning. On top of this, we give ample time for registered users to bring up their ratio; and we unban unregistered leechers who simply post on the forum after registering.

Thirdly, we do NOT use any sort of script to ban. We do this MANUALLY. That is what the LPOs do and go through to ensure a better, fairer experience on DaTorrents.

As DemosDemon pointed out, the second IP would eventually be banned as well. Therefore while it may meet short-term needs, it may not meet the long-term.

We at DaTorrents are very understanding people. We do our best to provide the community with very good service. In fact, other than just torrents, we offer an extensive list of XDCC bots in our channel, ready to send you packages as requested, that don't require you to seed simply because it's a one-way connection.

Also I would like to point out, that not all torrents hosted on DaTorrents HAVE an alternate tracker. For some, we are the one and only source for a particular package.

The BitTorrent community is based off of sharing. People that leech like this fellow here are why you have slow torrents; they do not give back what they take, hence the title "leecher". A torrent is a give and take relationship. You can't just take. We at DaTorrents are doing our best to ensure that people like the one you see here today stay out of our community; in order to provide you with a much more pleasant -SHARING- experience. Please do not follow this person's example.

I feel at home with DaTorrents, and I plan to stay there as long as I can.

Thank you all for your time and cooperation.

~Ether

I <3 datorrents. P.s, if you leech; your a dickhead.

You seem to forget the very goal of fansub; to spread animes whih are not available to people for their enjoyment.  By discriminating who can download and who can not, you're goin g against the very principle of free fansubs.  When one leecher out of a hundred who has the mean to serve decide to do so, it's a success for the whole community.  Forcing people to serve to get access to anime make you no different than a religious sect or a closed Direct Connect community, where only the "aristocracy", those gifted, through money or connections, with a better database are allowed to download their content.

FYI, some ISPs charge for transfer over a certain limit, and very often impose a very low limit on uploads.  I've seen some ISPs charging 5$ for every gb uploaded over 1 per month.  Not everyone can afford that and no, not everyone can just change ISPs as they like, there are many people in remote areas where ISPs have a monopoly and do as they like.

In short, trackers like datorrents are no better than ratio ftps which were banned from the anime community in the days of old for their narrow view of the internet and their lowly attitude over regular people.  Let people upload as they can, uploading and seeding should be a choice made deliberately; if the leechers are forced to upload to get files, they will never feel any link to the community nor feel grateful, since they'll have BOUGHT the right to download it.  Someone who shares expecting something in return doesn't share, he sells.

Sir, you couldn't be more mistaken.

First of all, this has nothing to do with fansubs. BitTorrent is a method of data transfer; it is not limited due to genre of materials transferred. Frankly your comparison of us to a religious sect is unfounded and is quite simply irresponsibly wrong.

The entire backbone of a bittorrent community, or any single bittorrent file for that matter, is that you share. That you give back to the community. Every person should share what they have recieved. It, as you so discriminately put it, is not 'buying' in any way, shape or form. To buy infers that the seller loses what he sells. To share is for both the server and the servee to have the product, if you will.

Secondly, your comparison to an aristocracy is as well unfounded as it is wrong in that you are not required to be 'gifted' (as you so blatently put it) with either money or a good connection. EVERYONE has the ability to share; if they have to pay extra for uploading, then they are in an uncontrollable minority and there's really not much we can do for them. We have to look towards the majority; to seek to keep the majority in good spirits. For some, torrents just arent economical. For these types, we host HUGE sets of xdcc bots in our IRC channel, which eliminates the need to upload. The fact that we provide this service takes care of most all the minority that has these problems you have so stated.

We do not discriminate against whom may and whom may not download. Everyone is free to; they simply must abide by the rules that have been freely available since the beginning of this organization. If they were unable to see these rules due to some malfunction or ignorance, then they have ample time to alert us and we do, to the best of our ability, all we can to assist them in rectifying the situation.

In order to allow for quicker, less clogged downloads, as well as to ensure quality of our service, it is necessary to remove those who leech to a rediculous degree. It is the foundation of many torrent communities and we will continue to keep this policy for long to come.

As for your statement concerning that users will 'never feel any link to the community nor feel grateful', I would have you know that many, many people feel right at home in our community. You're free to see that on the forums or in our IRC rooms. They're pretty packed.

Good people enjoy our service because it allows them to combine the ability to get the files they enjoy with the ability to freely approach staff if they have any problems or suggestions. We are very open with our community, and that is part of the basis of our organization.

Consider these, sir, and you will see that your statement and point of view are false.

Thank you for your time and cooperation.

~Ether

I may have gone too far when comapring you to a sect and aristocracy, I get a bit emotional on subjects which touch me.

I have to correct you on some of you arguments though.

1) "To buy infers that the seller loses what he sells."

That is completely false.  This only applies when selling "goods", it is in no way applicable when selling "services", ie a barber doesn't lose his razor for cutting someone's beard.  The sharing of anime is a service, not a good.

2) "Secondly, your comparison to an aristocracy is as well unfounded as it is wrong in that you are not required to be 'gifted' (as you so blatently put it) with either money or a good connection. EVERYONE has the ability to share; if they have to pay extra for uploading, then they are in an uncontrollable minority and there's really not much we can do for them. We have to look towards the majority; to seek to keep the majority in good spirits"

You contradict yourself in this statement; first you say everyone has the ability to share, then you acknowledge the existence of a minority who can't.  Also, looking toward the majority only is a big mistake, IMHO.  Throughout history, minorities have been opressed by the majorities because they were different.  Unless you believe that Romans that threw christians in the Arena to be eaten by lions were right, this point make no sense whatsoever, for you please the majority by not taking care of the minority.

3) "For these types, we host HUGE sets of xdcc bots in our IRC channel, which eliminates the need to upload. The fact that we provide this service takes care of most all the minority that has these problems you have so stated."

I am saying that all serving should be made that way, so people can freely contribute, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt that the XDCC servers are hosted by the traker hosts themselves; if they are, then my sincere apologies.

4) "We do not discriminate against whom may and whom may not download. Everyone is free to; they simply must abide by the rules that have been freely available since the beginning of this organization. If they were unable to see these rules due to some malfunction or ignorance, then they have ample time to alert us and we do, to the best of our ability, all we can to assist them in rectifying the situation."

Is it truly freedom if someone has to abide by rules that not everyone are "physically" able to abide to?  I understand that one may not make exceptions to rules because the majority would be "hurt" (excuse my lack of better vocabulary, I'm not a native english speaker) if you gave preferences to certain over others, but I question any rules that would rule out (pun not indtended) people from joining.  It is my personnal belief that it is not true freedom, but this is a matter of opinion, meanings of "freedom" being subject to many controversies all the time.

5) "In order to allow for quicker, less clogged downloads, as well as to ensure quality of our service, it is necessary to remove those who leech to a rediculous degree. It is the foundation of many torrent communities and we will continue to keep this policy for long to come."

Torrent communities, as you call them, seem pretty much to me like closed circles, as you need to agree to a set of rules to be admitted in that are much stricter than the rules of free internet communities.

6) "Good people enjoy our service because it allows them to combine the ability to get the files they enjoy with the ability to freely approach staff if they have any problems or suggestions. We are very open with our community, and that is part of the basis of our organization."

Defining as "good" the people that abide by your rules is close to telling that people who do not believe in such rules and would rather have nothing to do with it are not.  Please reconsider you wording on this please.  Also, if what makes a good community is rule-abiding people who can talk to the staff, I frankly believe your views to be quite narrow-minded on the subject.  Sheeps don't complain about their own status.

7) "As for your statement concerning that users will 'never feel any link to the community nor feel grateful', I would have you know that many, many people feel right at home in our community. You're free to see that on the forums or in our IRC rooms. They're pretty packed."

But do all those people really had a choice?  When people do not know any way but the torrent way to get a file, saying they came freely is dishonest (I know you didn't say it in these words, but it is what I assume from reading your lines).  If all had opportunities to get their files any other way (or knew about them), I am pretty sure many would leave.

7) Consider these, sir, and you will see that your statement and point of view are false

First, a point of view may be distorted or unrealistic, but it can not be "false".
For the main point, I believe that my statements are mostly correct; discarding all of it because it conflicts with yours, that would be called a distortion in the point of view, or a "false" point of view as you said it yourself.

Comenting on my earlier text, I was mostly in contact with IRC file-sharing communities, ranging from anime to iso and warez, I believe I should have mentionned that.  Oh, and I'm someone who sticks to ideals a lot, as you may have noticed, to punish everyone for the misdeeds of a few is something I don't see as a viable answer ;)

PS: No insult were intended in any way (I'm just having a little fun about vocabulary here and there, but I can't help it, I love doing that =P), I am sorry if anything you read in those lines may be understood as such.  Hope you have a nice day.

1) True that services may not be lost. Please note that we do not get anything from providing these services, as you call them. We do it for the good of the community; the least that can be done is for our rules to be followed. We are not compensated for what we do, we do it out of the kindness of our hearts.

2) I did not contradict myself. Note that I said -ABILITY-. This implies that there is a way for them to share. The simple fact they can get on the internet and that they can download from torrents shows they have an ability to do more than just download. If they do not want to pay for upload (if they are in a situation as you mentioned for paying for ever-so-much upload), then we have the XDCC bots. There is no possible way to satisfy everyone's needs; there will always be a few who are insatiable. Take in to account that some people are not able to use torrents AT ALL. We have to look toward the majority; for if we only appeal to the minority, we would fail as a service. However, you may be counting this wrong. The majority is not just those with fast connections; I'm including those with slow connections as well as they are indeed able to share. I've seen people on 28.8k maintain above a 1:1 ratio.

3) Then I accept your apology. The tracker hosts do indeed own/run these bots. They are under constant development out of their own time, money, and hard work. They carry packages that are otherwise found on DaTorrents.

4) If that is your true view of freedom, than your view is closer to anarchy than it is to anything else. Everyone is 'physically' able to share. It's just the means that can prevent some (monetary for those mentioned whom must pay a sum of money for every specified amount uploaded). For these, the XDCC bots are available 24/7, and they do not have to torrent. As stated, there is no way to please everyone. There are rules, and rules are meant for the better of the community.

5) Hence I said to a rediculous degree. We only ban when they have leeched several GB and have given little to nothing back. When it is plainly obvious that they have no intention of giving back to the community, then we give them a multitude of chances to rectify the issue. If it is not met, then we remove them. Removing these types frees up bandwidth from those they are downloading from for those who do intend to help our cause by sharing.

6) When I say good people I mean people who help the community prosper rather than hurt it by taking and leaving (basically hit-and-run). While you may think of it as narrow minded, it is important that our users do abide by the rules. May I remind you once more that this service does not benefit us? The least that can be done is for them to not purposely be injuring the community by taking and leaving. For those who are not doing so purposely, we give them plenty of warning before we tell them enough is enough. We care dearly about our userbase but frankly if someone isn't willing to abide by the simple, easy, lax rules we have in place, they shouldn't be using our tracker in the first place.

7) Of course these people had a choice; and of course they came freely. You assume that the areas we have in place are just the XDCC channel, and perhaps the tracker? If so, you're sorely mistaken. We have a SEPERATE channel just for talking, and seperate channel for users to come and talk to staff if they need to. If they did not have a choice, they would not fraternize in these areas, nor on the forums. Many users are perfectly happy with DaTorrents. If you have further concerns about this, come take a look for yourself. I highly doubt many would leave, even if they didn't know there were other choices beforehand (which, I may add, is a very, very slim chance).

8) A point of view can be false if every aspect of it is either made in ignorance or proven to be unfounded.

We are an open community, and always willing to listen to our users. We have gained a reputation for being kind among our users. If you have any further disbelief as to the way our organization is run, I invite you to meet me in IRC.

Thank you for your time and cooperation.

Have a nice day as well. Off to bed with me.

~Ether

I love when people can defend their points with arguments, it's so rare nowadays. As you may have noticed, I love to argue, in my family it's seen as a game. ;)

No point in arguing any further though because of 3), I'm deeply sorry for misjudging the core of the datorrents.com community and its staff, I'll make sure to pay a visit to your IRC channel when i have time to say hi and apologize.

A little misc thing before I go to sleep though (it will go around in my head all night if I don't say it). ^_^

1)  My views of liberties may be close to some anarchists, but I believe that some authority is needed to protect that liberty, but only with rules that are "human rights"-like. Oh and interesting yet not vastly known thing I've learned from some anachists, many don't believe that the freedom they seek may not be applied to anything bigger than a village or a small city in which everyone would need to be of good will.  I think they called themselves anarcho-communists or something.  Pretty nice people usually.

Yes, I enjoy a good argument at times as well. I find it hilarious when the biggest argument anyone can put up is "UR GAY" or something along those lines. Then again, I also enjoy finding people who can actually make their points. Debate is fun.

The problem with anarchy and communism is simply the human factor. If everyone was good at heart, and was not consumed by greed, it would work quite well from a governmental/economical standpoint.

Anyhow, I'm Ether on IRC as well so I'm easy to find. Looking forward to speaking with you.

Thank you, and have a nice day. Off to school with me.

~Ether

Time out, everybody. The OP likened himself to a Christian in a lion pit because he was banned for leeching torrents.

Instafail

ps posting in a shitty thread, you're both losers

>:3

get in the fucking car >>24