Was math discovered or invented?

The enticing question of our generation.

It was defined.

Axioms are invented, theorems are discovered.

>>3
Prove it.

basic math is comparison. Like things added, subtracted, etc, etc. All math is based upon this premise that things seemingly similar can be counted on as the same or have same like characteristics. This is why chaoticians have such trouble with math because everything in the universe is unique. No apple is like another apple in its entirety. This is the problem that you find in all math. Why 2+2=4 in one set of math, but in another 2+2=5. Both are accurate, but because of this comparison of two seemingly like, yet unique, things there are components from each instance that are ignored. These ignored components accumulate geometrically with each instance. And this is why math has its problems and why chaoticians will most likely never come to a satisfactory conclusion. Math is limited and flawed because man's perception of the world is limited and flawed. But who would like to inform the world of this discrepancy? Everything that uses any form of counting has this flaw and limitation.

With smaller equations the variance is minuscule and bares no significant distinction...it "appears" to work. However, with greater equations the variance grows geometrically and bares increasingly significant distinction.

I hope this provides you with some idea of what us lay-people have to deal with.

>>4
Why is it all right angled triangles in the universe obey Pythagoras's theorem ? You see these triangles readily occurring in nature.

Look up inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning.

MIND = BLOWN!!!

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Define invented, define discovered.

DEFINE MY ANUS

>>8
define define

This question does not have an answer. Forget about it.

>>11
Oh, a wise guy eh?

>>12
define 'eh'

>>6
where

Math is invented.
According to Goedel you never have all the tools necessary to prove all theorems within the current framework of theories. So you make up new ones which you mold in such a way that they help to solve your problem (or you invent the tools necessary). This means you invent solutions to your problems which then have implications that are left to be discovered. But since all the math would equally work e.g. if we chose to have not 10 but 5 as basis to build our number system which makes it arbitrary or not discoverable (the mount everest could be discovered since it is a specific mountain. A car is invented b/c there are arbitrary solutions to the problem motorized individual transport).

Done where is my prize?

>>15
In the post. Give me your address.

>>15
But all you're inventing are the axioms.  Theorems are always true assuming the axioms are as well, thus the theorems are discovered given invented axioms.

>>15
Your prize for most horrific abuse of Gödel so far in this thread?
Fucking hell, /sci/ is a sewer.

>>18
Fucking hell, sewer is a /sci/.

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Math is invented-created.  You throw numbers and symbols that mean something against a wall until something bounces back that "works" to design new calculations and formulas.  The most revolutionary invention is differentiation in calculus - the ability to perfectly describe any known (perfectly) curved surface!

It is inherently an abstraction layer of our understanding of the universe.  There is no observable "2" or "x" object or object property.

Dude wtf. Of course the ideas where discovered but how to use and apply were invented. The symbol for negative doesn't mean anything until we attribute a meaning to the sign. Those sorts are invented/created. But the fundamental can be portrayed in many ways but are still the same idea. That is why the idea for math was discovered but how to go about the task was invented. You stupid jews.

Pick up one rock...pick up another rock...both are rocks, but both rocks are not the same. Labeling them as "two" rocks is equally as unjust as labeling all niggers are criminals.

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>>22
I'll give you a simple task then: I'd like two rocks.  Can you get me two rocks?

troll

>>22
^* African Americans

>>23
NOPE. IT DOESN'T EXIST.

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>>22
labeling all niggers are criminals.
unjust

wat

>>27
wat
^* What

I doubt all of what you said is valid.

I've heard of Liberals who hate that we're still fighting a war in the oily East but little of Conservatives who do more than angst the fact.  Instead, they're rather angry the White House is trying to force/delude with an arbitrary pull-out date that they keep moving around.  Additionally, criticism of President Obama has been about his non-military international efforts and his domestic program, not his "overseas contingency" conduct; has Limbaugh called him a war criminal yet (has he?  I don't listen to the guy but I know if there's something radical to say he'd be the one to willingly say it whether or not other people believed it)?

As for the effort to now expand oil drilling, this is nothing new.  There has been some desire to push for expanding energy such as domestic oil drilling and nuclear construction for a number of years now, often little reported.  In fact, a lot of territory off the coast of California is already well-documented and mapped and Shell or ExxonMobil could get working on an unobtrusive method of oil extraction within a month were they allowed to tomorrow.  Those who push for the expansions now probably are using the war to try and tug heart strings - after-all, who wouldn't want to make it less likely we'd stay entangled there for the wrong reasons? - but is more a reaction to what is seen as an unrealistic Green national energy plan.

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Why?

One word: Immigration.

Since 1970, America's largest source of immigrants has been Latin America, especially Mexico. More than half of these Latino immigrants lack a high school diploma.

Compare the U.S. experience with Canada's. More than half of all immigrants to Canada possess a university degree. Half of all Canada's Ph.D.s are foreign-born.

Why does America choose poorly educated immigrants? The short answer: America does not choose them. They choose themselves.

In the last decade, half of all the immigrants to the United States arrived illegally. Even many of the legal arrivals gained entry courtesy of relatives who originally slipped into the country against the law, then somehow regularized themselves.

By contrast, Canada (a country of 1/10 the U.S. population that takes proportionately many more immigrants than the United States) allows almost no illegal immigration.

The result: While immigration has enhanced the average skill level of the Canadian population, it has detracted from the average skill level of the U.S. population.

Many Americans carry in their minds a family memory of upward mobility, from great-grandpa stepping off the boat at Ellis Island to a present generation of professionals and technology workers. This story no longer holds true for the largest single U.S. immigrant group, Mexican-Americans.

Stephen Trejo and Jeffrey Groger studied the intergenerational progress of Mexican-American immigrants in their scholarly work, "Falling Behind or Moving Up?"

They discovered that third-generation Mexican-Americans were no more likely to finish high school than second-generation Mexican-Americans. Fourth-generation Mexican-Americans did no better than third.