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Consciousness causes collapse

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-09 16:26

The material world is one system treated by the rules of quantum mechanics. There exist external observers which cannot be treated within quantum mechanics, namely human and  animal minds, which perform measurements on the brain causing wave function collapse.

This attributes the process of wave function collapse directly, indirectly, or even partially to consciousness itself. Until the Hard problem of consciousness is solved, it is undefined what could or could not have consciousness. It could be that measuring devices might also turn out to be considered conscious by this definition.

Consciousness causes collapse can be seen as a proposed answer to the Wigner's friend thought experiment by asserting that collapse occurs at the first "conscious" observer.

Wigner believed that consciousness is necessary for the collapse process. There are several possible ways to explain the Wigner's thought experiment, some of which do not require consciousness to be different from physical processes, including Consciousness and Superposition and Wigner's friend in Many Worlds.

Recent study of quantum decoherence reduces the emphasis on the "macroscopic observer" originally introduced in the language of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory for most systems. Modern scientific discourse has evolved to try to quantify how quantum systems decohere due to their interactions with their surroundings. This provides a unified view which treats neighboring quantum systems, thermal baths and the measurement apparatus on the same footing. Although decoherence gives new insight on how quantum mechanics gives rise to the classical world in general, decoherence does not give a resolution to the philosophical aspects of the problem of measurement.

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-09 18:50

Stop thinking of mind and body as separate and we might just yet drag our way out of the mire of Caresian Dulaity. Also, stop using quantum concepts where they don't apply.

Dennett has the most sensible ideas I've seen to date:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_explained

Name: 4tran 2009-02-09 21:40

By your definition, measuring devices are indeed conscious.
However, I call your definition of "conscious" to be a very crappy one.  You might as well call it "asdf".

Please don't abuse QM.

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-18 12:07

>>1

Cool story bro

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-23 11:28

PROVE ME WRONG

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