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Degrees of freedom in a water molecule

Name: Anonymous 2009-01-30 22:06

Let's consider all of them. I know a few.

3 translational kinetic ones due to movement in the x y z space
3 rotational, as it is non linear it can rotate about any axis

These are the easy ones

I think it gets interesting when we get to the vibrational ones

We have two hydrogen atoms, both of which are capable of vibrating away/towards from the oxygen molecule. Would that constitute as 2 different pieces of vibrational freedom? With total of four degrees of vibrational freedom? Or, because they're the same vibrational freedom, is it counted as one vibrational freedom?

Now, what about the angular vibration possible due to the bent shape of the molecule? Does this ever get counted? My guess is yes it does, and thus, two more degrees. However, would this mode of vibrational be quadratic in nature?

That's a total of 12 degrees of freedom, can anyone confirm if i am correct? If i am wrong, please point out the flaw in my reasoning.

Name: Anonymous 2009-01-30 22:07

OP here

Oxygen atom***, not molecule. Silly me.

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Name: Anonymous 2009-01-31 17:54

Let's see, the three spatial, three rotational is six... there's the length of the bond for each O-H bond, making 8, the angle between each bond making nine, and a binormal for each, making eleven, but I'm not sure if the binormals would be counted seperately from each other, or even from the angle of the bonds, making 9, 10, or 11, but definitely not 12. I'm thinking 9.

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-01 13:54

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-02 8:14

>>4

one degree Vibrational freedom counts as two degrees of regular freedom. Because in vibration you have both stored and kinetic energy. This i know for sure.

So, knowing this, your logic brings me to my previous conclusion. Thank you for thinking about this

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-05 5:30

Does hydrogen tunneling come into play? i really dunno

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-25 20:25

>>5
>>adoplh hitler


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Name: yellowdingo 2009-02-26 5:11

ya missed one. Temporal freedom. The capacity to molecular change shape (H-O-H angle) dependant on a rate of time it takes to go from 5 degrees to zero degrees Celsius. the amount of kinetic discharge depends on the rate of cooling.

Name: Anonymous 2009-02-28 1:35

if you count quantum mechanics then it could be either 12 or 0.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-05-03 6:06

It's just the 3N - 6 rule, no?

Where N is the number of atoms.

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