Retards who think quantum mechanics refutes determinism are like the intelligent design fags who think the complexity of an eye refutes evolution. Quantum mechanics is not the endgame of physics. We don't know how stuff behaves at quantum levels, but that doesn't mean stuff behaves any more "randomly" than the patterns of the wind.
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Join the debate. I see you don't agree with >>1. Care to explain why?
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Anonymous2008-09-10 13:46
Even if quantum mechanics nature might be random, having the universe in motion requires it to have a determined value
just think about seeds for random functions.
I'd bet the whole universe is just an equation
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Anonymous2008-09-11 9:04
There is no proof either way due to the heisenburg uncertainty principle.
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Anonymous2008-09-11 9:08
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That only suggests some things are determined and some are not. Even if one atom on some random planet somewhere was not deterministic it would mean the entire universe was deterministic because it would alter the course of everything as it's effects expand from it at the speed of light. The random nature of quantum mechanics means that there is no proof that the universe is deterministic.
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Anonymous2008-09-11 9:09
it would mean the entire universe was not deterministic*
oops
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Anonymous2008-09-11 16:04
THINGS CANNOT EXIST IF YOU DON'T GIVE THEM DETERMINED VALUES
HAHA THAT IS A MYTH PROPAGATED BY THE CHURCH TO MAKE BRAINDEAD FOLLOWERS FEEL SECURE EXPERT SCIENTISTS KNOW QUANTUM UNCERTAINTY TO BE THE ACTUAL CASE
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Anonymous2008-09-11 18:10
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UNCERTAINTY MY ASS, AS LONG YOU'RE INSIDE REALITY THERE'S NO WAY IT'S NOT DETERMINED, THE UNIVERSE DON'T GIVE IT A DAMN ABOUT HUMAN PERCEPTION OF TIME, PAST PRESENT FUTURE... EVERITHING HAS ALREADY HAPPENED AT THE SAME ISTANT, SO IT IS MOTHERFUCKING DETERMINED DIEDIEDIEDIEDIE