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Name: Anonymous 2008-08-01 13:08

copypasta, maybe i find answers here.

when i was a kid, i was reading carl sagans "cosmos". one thing is bothering me since, and i would appreciate if some1 xplains here what i concluded wrong.

first fact: universe is spreading. in our point of view, we're at center, cause everything is going away from us. but it's cause outer regions are moving faster, inner slower, so in every point of view you can see everything is moving away. so we can't say where is center of universe. ok.

2nd fact: scientist wanted to proove theory of relativity by making atomic clock and putting it into voyager 1. so they expected time shifting as ship speed was raising. they did get time difference readings, but results were totally different than things they calculated. ok.

i am wandering: wtf, i dunno if no1 was tryin to calculate time shifts changes after voyager turned around (jupiter? saturn? don't remember) and put 2 vectors together, and conclude how much this ship went SLOWER or FASTER than earth in that moment, and calculate which way center of universe is?

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-05 23:52

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>It's not accelerating away from a single point
Strawman logical fallacy.

Where did I say the universe was expanding from a single point?

"all matter must have initially been at one point"
According to big band theory this is correct, the universe was at one point in time and space, a singularity.

"accelerated away from that point during the big bang"
Again correct. If we take your unimaginative pseudoscientific balloon universe the 3rd dimension would take the role of time, in the real universe however the 4th dimension is time and the moment time started, assuming it did "start", was the moment everything accelerated away from each other, the big bang.

"That point is the centre of the universe."
Indeed it is. That singularity was the centre of our 4 dimensional universe.

Well done for failing at empirical analysis, you didn't have to get all that or even assume I was talking about a relativistic universe, just debate what I actually said instead of putting words in my mouth. You should have said "what do you mean by point? Do you mean a point in space or a point in time and space?". Maybe you should stick to that textbook of yours instead of trying to discuss new ideas.

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