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So, relatively speaking...

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-28 8:51

Would it be correct to say that you can't measure your own absolute location or speed, but you can measure your absolute spin? Does this have any significance?

And while some people refer to relativity when explaining why there can't be a universally agreed upon time system, doesn't the 4-dimensional model of the universe implied in relativity mean that the time and location of any event can be described with 4-dimensional coordinates, presumably with some agreed upon non-accelerating object as reference.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-28 13:03

how do you know its non-accelerating.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-28 14:00

>>1
Please use rotation instead of spin. Spin has a different meaning in physics.

And yes, if you take an arbitrary reference point you can describe the entire universe that way. The point of relativity is that there are no absolute reference point, and every reference point is necessarily arbitrary.

>>2
Back to /b/, please.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-28 15:16

>>3
Ah, yes. I meant the angular speed, to be more precise.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-28 16:22

Theres uncertainty in angular speed as well.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-28 16:26

Angular momentum operator L^2 commutes with position and velocity though, doesn't it?

Name: 4tran 2008-03-28 18:55

>>6
True.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-29 10:02

What exactly doesn't it commute with though.

I know it doesn't commute with L_x_i if you get my notation (Can't do subscripts) for x,y and z.

But is there another obvious quantity, in the same vein as postion and veloctity, that it doesn't commute with?

Name: 4tran 2008-03-29 22:45

>>8
Last I recall, L2 commutes with everything.
Lx doesn't commute with Ly though.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-30 10:51

It can't commute with everything, or can it :-/

I was pretty cetain [L^2,L_x]=ih

where I mean h bar but can't write that silly shit.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-30 16:28

>>10
ħ

Name: 4tran 2008-03-30 20:52

>>10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_angular_momentum

Besides, {L,Lz} is one of the most common bases in which to do quantum computations.  This basis would not make sense if what you said was true.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-30 21:36

Use the [sup] and [sub] tags.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-31 8:14

>>12
blah. I need to learn this shit before the exams.

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-31 12:51

[sup] [sub]

Name: Anonymous 2008-03-31 12:52

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Name: Anonymous 2008-04-03 4:56

There isn't any way to measure Spin (not angular speed/rotation) right?

Name: Anonymous 2008-04-03 12:38

>>17
Spin is a property of elementary particles, not large bodies.

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