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Theory of Everything?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 4:59

Imported from /n/ - News, wanted to see what you guys thought of it.

    GARRETT LISI is an unlikely individual to be staking a claim for a theory of everything. He has no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii. In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, California, to teach snowboarding. Until recently, physics was not much more than a hobby.

    That hasn't stopped some leading physicists sitting up and taking notice after Lisi made his theory public on the physics pre-print archive this week (www.arxiv.org/abs/0711.0770). By analysing the most elegant and intricate pattern known to mathematics, Lisi has uncovered a relationship underlying all the universe's particles and forces, including gravity - or so he hopes. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics (PI) in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

    That's some achievement, as physicists have been trying to find a uniform framework for the fundamental forces and particles ever since they developed the standard model more than 30 years ago. The standard model successfully weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay. The problem has been that gravity has so far refused to join the party.
    “For decades, physicists have been trying to find a uniform framework for the fundamental forces and particles”

    Most attempts to bring gravity into the picture have been based on string theory, which proposes that particles are ultimately composed of minuscule strings. Lisi has never been a fan of string theory and says that it's because of pressure to step into line that he abandoned academia after his PhD. "I've never been much of a follower, so I walked off to search for my own theory," he says. Last year, he won a research grant from the charitably funded Foundational Questions Institute to pursue his ideas.

    He had been tinkering with "weird" equations for years and getting nowhere, but six months ago he stumbled on a research paper analysing E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points. He noticed that some of the equations describing its structure matched his own. "The moment this happened my brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," says Lisi. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"
    “The moment this happened my brain exploded with the implications. I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'”

    What Lisi had realised was that if he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points, it might explain, for example, how the forces make particles decay, as seen in particle accelerators.

    Lisi is not the first person to associate particles with the points of symmetric patterns. In the 1950s, Murray Gell-Mann and colleagues correctly predicted the existence of the "omega-minus" particle after mapping known particles onto the points of a symmetrical mathematical structure called SU(3). This exposed a blank slot, where the new particle fitted.

    Before tackling the daunting E8, Lisi examined a smaller cousin, a hexagonal pattern called G2, to see if it would explain how the strong nuclear force works. According to the standard model, forces are carried by particles: for example, the strong force is carried by gluons. Every quark has a quantum property called its "colour charge" - red, green or blue - which denotes how the quarks are affected by gluons. Lisi labelled points on G2 with quarks and anti-quarks of each colour, and with various gluons, and found that he could reproduce the way that quarks are known to change colour when they interact with gluons, using nothing more than high-school geometry (see Graphic).

    Turning to the geometry of the next simplest pattern in the family, Lisi found he was able to explain the interactions between neutrinos and electrons by using the star-like F4. The standard model already successfully describes the electroweak force, uniting the electromagnetic and the weak forces. Lisi added gravity into the mix by including two force-carrying particles called "e-phi" and "omega", to the F4 diagram - creating a "gravi-electroweak" force.

    Finally, he filled in most of the 248 points of the E8 pattern, using various "identities" of the 40 known particles and forces. For example, some particles can have quantum spin values that are either up or down, and each of these identities would sit on a different point. He filled the remaining 20 gaps with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.

    With the points on the E8 pattern occupied, he could rotate it using computer simulations and so project it down in various ways to two dimensions. By rotating it a certain way, he found that he could recreate the earlier basic patterns describing the quark-gluon relationship and his gravi-electroweak force.

    Other physicists are impressed. "Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," says David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta. "I think that this must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

    The question of why our universe should be controlled by the E8 structure is not one that Lisi tackles. "I think the universe is pure geometry - basically, a beautiful shape twisting around and dancing over space-time," says Lisi. "Since E8 is perhaps the most beautiful structure in mathematics, it is very satisfying that nature appears to have chosen this geometry." Finkelstein, however, plans to investigate whether space-time could be described as a quilt woven together from E8 patches.

    Sabine Hossenfelder, also at PI, argues that Lisi's idea could be complementary to string theory, rather than a radical alternative. She points out that string theorists already use E8 to describe a pattern of extra-dimensional space called the Calabi-Yau manifold, which they propose exists alongside the three dimensions that we see. "Is this a coincidence?" she asks.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 4:59

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 5:18

Exciting stuff, especially since the LHC may provide corroboration. I read the paper, but the math is over my head. I was, however, impressed by the fact that it was largely a list of the ways particles map onto E8, and not so much a shaky chain of deduction.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 5:42

>>3

Definitely very exciting.  Speaking as someone who's a big fag over mathematical beauty, this is very cool stuff.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 7:01

"om nom nom nom" -said the brain

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 7:30

It gets better every time I re-read the paper, it makes a little more sense. This is brain food you can eat over and over again, and every time, it explains physics a little better and better.  Even if it's way off, I think it might make an excellent teaching tool.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 14:35

>E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points.

1) I thought E8 was of complex dimension 248 (real dimension 496), not 8.
2) E8 is a Lie group, which means it's a differentiable manifold. That means it is of uncountable cardinality, not cardinality 248.

Name: CSharp !FFI4Mmahuk 2007-11-24 23:39

Actually, it's not exciting anymore. It was peer reviewed and found to have several errors.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-24 23:42

Protip: when the press frames anything related to science as being a victory of a lone genius against the stuffy establishment, it's almost certainly bullshit.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 1:58

e8 is a Lie group. Media are stupid

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 2:07

Same goes for Einstein, Tesla, Yung, Freud, etc.  The guy said that particle physics matches the E8 diagram, and indicates their interactions. He stumbled on it, and scientists have collectively been going "O SHI-" because it.  It merely may be a co-incidence that the E8 plugs into physics, and no-one noticed because E8 wasn't solved until earlier this year. 


"IT dur press bein fags!": this is you, being a fag.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 2:17

>>8

Yes, potentially 20 undiscovered particles. OH! it doesn't match what string theorists say? GARWSH! Even they say their model doesn't work with the universe. Cry moar. Your tears are so salty and yummy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 2:40

>>11
Einstein wasn't some lone genius going against the establishment; he was part of it, and his work was embraced by it.
Tesla was wrong more often than he was right, though those parts of his work that weren't bullshit were never particularly controversial.

And Jung (who I'm assuming you're refering to) and Freud were both full of pseudoscientific shit. If they believed what they preached, they were crackpots, and if you believe them to be anything else you're an ignorant moron.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 2:52

>>13

You're using the examples of individuals, and their acceptance, instead of indicating their opposites.

Tesla won for trying different ideas. Edison lost for trying to observe everything.

Einstein converted to those who told him what he wanted to hear. Cosmological constant, anyone?

Freud, Jung, and psychology are all full of new-age bullshit, but Freud started the ball rolling, where Jung started limiting the choices by close observation.

You're psycho.  See a doctor.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 4:06

>>14
Yes, I'm talking about individual researchers acting within the scientific establishment. The article was trying to posit this guy as an outsider who shirks convention.
If you can't see the distinction, perhaps you should GTFO my /sci/.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 5:35

No, he doesn't  He just doesn't work -for- an establishment, fagabilly.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 5:37

For that matter, neither did Freud or Tesla.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 5:46

LOL! Butt-hurt string theorists.

Name: BLackmaster 2007-11-25 17:11

nerds quit arguing god im smatter than you... like fuk string theroy its for fagots i disproved it years ago fagots.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-25 22:20

>>19
All by yourself?  Wow.  I guess you should publish a paper for review, or something. Faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-26 1:18

is everyone who studies physics a homosexual

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-26 1:44

>>21
No. You have it confused with psychology.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-26 2:00

>>22
I was using >>19 and >>20 as evidence, listen to their love calls, "fagot" tweet tweet "faggot"

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-25 15:32

The 4 Most Compelling Theories of Everything : http://www.oddee.com/item_91567.aspx

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-18 15:26

The best way to learn the theory of everything is to throw yourself at the ground from a high point and miss. The same can be done when realizing that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory, which states that this has already happened.

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-18 15:30

>>25
How many dots are there on a pair of dice in base 13?
What is 6*7 in base 13?
You're two sided?
Why?

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-19 12:56

"The Abolition of the White Race" - Scott Roberts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96OKlOdtWos

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-27 17:59

You were born to late to explore the world and to early to explore the solar system.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-31 0:21

New Theory Reveals How the Quantum World to the Universe Works: The “Theory of Something” : http://www.prfire.co.uk/science/new-theory-reveals-how-the-quantum-world-to-the-universe-works-the-theory-of-something-121735

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