Only a moron would say and actually believe something as blind as that. Numbers like pi and e have a much closer relationship to the real world than any natural number.
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Anonymous2007-05-16 17:58 ID:LqlojJJV
>>11 >>13
more complicated number systems constructed from the integers, etc etc etc
Gilgamesh made the integers...
"Gilgamesh made the integers, all the rest is the work of man"
Discuss.
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Anonymous2007-05-17 18:42 ID:TmLJqUAa
Longcat made the integers...
"Longcat made the integers, all the rest is the work of man"
-Tacgnol
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Anonymous2007-05-19 2:41 ID:3fTOS9lV
Integers don't actually exist. That property of ones which makes .1 equal to 1/10 of 1 and 10 equal to 1*10 exists only in our minds and is constantly shifting. If you change units you are in effect changing what is an integer. one meter for example is an integer in meters, but not in yards. MAN IS THE MEASURE OF ALL THINGS SO YOU CAN ALL GO TO SLEEP KTHX
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Anonymous2007-05-19 2:44 ID:3fTOS9lV
Its kind of impossible to use something different than the system we use now though because no matter what the one is it is one of something and not two of it. What we should be inquiring is the nature of units and how they are related to the natural numbers. I would not say that Pi is more natural than a natural number because there are few natural units that can be expressed in pi, in fact there are none. you cant have pi apples, or pi heartbeats, or anything of substance.
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Anonymous2007-05-19 2:49 ID:3fTOS9lV
Haruhi made the integers, and then Kyon had to invent decimals to reconcile units of measure that can be divided into parts of less than 1.
-the revealed word of anonymous
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pi is half the ratio of the circumference of a circle to it's radius (this is true regardless of the size of the circle, and can be manipulated to work in curved space). You can't count apples in terms of pi, but their geometry is riddled with it.
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This is only true in counting. Consider the function e^x. We know from calculus that it is it's own derivative and integral (relative to x). That means that it's both equal to its rate of change and its "sum" [for lack of a better layman word]. It is easy to forget that e is just another constant. No integer has a closer relationship to the world than e.
Another such number is the golden ratio. It appears in many places in the natural world yet it is another irrational number.
Hell fractals don't even exist in integer dimensions.
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Anonymous2007-05-19 12:24 ID:3fTOS9lV
How do you know it is an irrational number? It could be that it's true value is merely hidden behind thousands or millions of digits. Personally I cant comprehend a universe where this is not true.
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Anonymous2007-05-19 12:32 ID:3fTOS9lV
also golden rectangles in the natural world are normally distributed and do not actually reflect the true number