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Trigonometric Coefficients of 2nd-order DEs

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-13 18:20 ID:hCNLdp/r

y'' + 4y' + 5y = 0

as usual, assume y = e^(mx) is a solution, yielding

m^2 + 4m + 5 = 0
m = -2 + i, or m = -2 - i

therefore

y = Ae^((-2+i)x) + Be^((-2-i)x)
= e^(-2x) (Ae^(ix) + Be^(-ix))

by Euler's formula,

y = e^(-2x) ((A+B)cosx + i(A-B)sinx)

as it turns out, A and B work out to be conjugate pairs, thus yielding

y = e^(-2x) (acosx + bsinx)



MY QUESTION: Can anyone explain why A and B are conjugate pairs?

tl;dr - you need to learn more math.

Name: S 2007-05-13 19:37 ID:jcTBdnWb

Because the expression for solving for m is a quadratic eq. and will always have two solutions which are complex conjugates of each other. Because of this, all solutions for second order linear eq. like this (with compex roots and with a non-zero real part) will have some exponential multiplying Ae^(c*ix)+Be^(-c*ix) (in your case c=1).

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-13 22:02 ID:hCNLdp/r

Either I missed the point of your answer, or you missed the point of my question.

I know that it has some exponential multiplied by that expression, but my question relates to the lines below it. There is an unexplained step in getting from A+B and i(A-B) to a and b respectively, justified by A and B being conjugate pairs. But what I don't understand is why or how they are in fact conjugate pairs.

Name: S 2007-05-14 1:54 ID:rjzAuN6e

Ah, I missed the point of your question. From Euler's formula:

Sin(x) = ( e^(ix)-e(-ix) )/(2i)
Cos(x) = ( e^(ix)+e^(-ix) )/2

a*sin(x) + b*cos(x) =

a*( e^(ix)-e(-ix) )/(2i) + b*( e^(ix)+e^(-ix) )/2=

(Factoring)
=[b/2 + a/(2i)]*e^(ix) +[b/2 - a/(2i)]*e^(-ix)

=Ae^(ix)+Be^(-ix),
where A=b/2 - i*a/2 and B=b/2 + i*a/2

That is the algebra that links a and b to A and B, and shows that A and B are complex conjugates. Since they are all arbitrary variables, any time A and B are complex conjugates, you may assume it is in the right form and find the values for a and b.

Name: 4tran 2007-05-14 1:58 ID:cbbEn2Dy

There's a hidden assumption that y is real for all x.

y = Ae^((-2+i)x) + Be^((-2-i)x)
  = e^(-2x)[Ae^ix + Be^-ix]

Assumption only holds if A, B are complex conjugates (if you don't belive me, try stuffing in non complex conjugates, and mucking with x).

If you still don't believe me,

Ae^ix + Be^-ix = (A+B)cosx + i(A-B)sinx (true for any complex A, B)

cos(x), sin(x) are real for all real x, so (A+B) and i(A-B) must be real for the whole thing to be real for all x.  This then implies that A, B are complex conjugates.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-14 14:35 ID:ev6XYBRE

>>5
Speaks tr00f. We assume that the solution plane of such a differential equation is real, since we model physical processes with differential equations, and it's a little hard for a wave to be (2 + 3i)m high.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-23 10:31 ID:q598KUeu

nerd alert

jk, you guys sound rather intelligent

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-23 21:56 ID:b9f3acEB

MATH IS HARD

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