I've been thinking, we only perceive time in the entropy-increasing direction because the wave equation causes physics to lend itself to action in the wave expansion direction. This makes anything that "thinks" i.e. computers, humans, some animals see any physical state as the result of a previous state (previous referring to time as moving in the entropy-increasing direction) Therefore, there is no proof that the big bang is the initial state of the universe, and everything is a result of that; it could be that time moves in the entropy-decreasing direction and what we would see as the final state of the universe is actually a more logical initial state. Or that neither is an initial state and time doesn't "flow" at all.
Interestingly enough this could reconcile evolution with Christianity as it would mean apes didn't necessarily come first. I'm an atheist, but it would be nice to get those fundamentalists to stop lying to school kids about intelligent design.
Unscientific bullshit you pulled out of your ass. Also, evolution itself says nothing specific about who came from what, and even if you found a way to make them logically click (you couldn't), they aren't looking for logic.
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Anonymous2007-05-12 12:31 ID:TB+IanyJ
THE ANSWER IS 42.
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Anonymous2007-05-12 12:53 ID:en8a8DZ3
we didnt come from apes, we share a common ancestor.
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Anonymous2007-05-13 9:41 ID:GBItEFwP
Actually, Roberta Sparrow wrote a fascinating book on the same subject back in 2001 called "The Philosophy of Time Travel". The main points are summarized on wikipedia. You should totally look it up!
If you understood the physics you were talking about then you should know that saying "maybe time goes in the entropy decreasing direction" is nonsense. Time is entropy increasing because and only because that is what we happen to percieve. There is no objective truth on the matter, you are just creating illusions to facinate yourself with the philosophical implications.
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Anonymous2007-05-14 18:28 ID:l0s3sd/j
Reminds me of a seminar that a recent pHD gave in front of the physics dept. faculty at some university...
"Now, if one was able to look at this phenomenon from outside the universe..."
<Professor interrupts>
"Excuse me, where exactly IS that?"
Conjecturing about what things are REALLY like outside of your conscious self is completely academic; you can't GET there.
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Anonymous2007-05-15 22:16 ID:4LAt/Zzx
It's mind blowing to really percieve what time actually is. Obviously it's not a concrete object you can touch, and it's not an energy you can measure. Untill we can recognize time, we can't manipulate, if it's even possible.
>>1 Interestingly enough this could reconcile evolution with Christianity as it would mean apes didn't necessarily come first.
Your whole post is incredibly stupid. Causality happens in the same "direction" as we "perceive" time to flow. As >>13 said, what is actually happening "outside the universe" does not affect us, so it's irrelevant.
This has no effect whatsoever on evolution. I had to reread your post twice to see how you managed to make that leap.
Changing some purely mathematical curiosities to redefine the flow of time does nothing to reconcile religion with science. The Bible as a historical text is broken for much bigger reasons than "apes came first". The naivety of your post shows that either you have no understanding whatsoever of religion, or you're not really an atheist but simply pretending to be one so that we take you seriously.