Plane on a treadmill

Will it fly?

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What if the plane was in the air, and the treadmill was floated up on a blimp right under the plane?

>>1
Don't be silly.

Aww shit, not this crap again. YES, IT WILL FLY. The wheels don't propel the plane, so the treadmill has no affect on the plane itself.

>>5
It does have an effect, but it depends on the friction in the wheel bearings, and is normally negligible.

>>1
The real question is whether the pancakes will taste good when it stops off at ihop later.

>>6
That's right, forgot to mention that.

>>5
but the treadmill is going as fast as the plane is moving... i.e. no forward motion relative to ground. no lift. no flight.

>>9
troll, because you obviously know of this problem since the OP didn't give any information for it. On 4chan, the only people who argue this (except for newbs) are those who think it would fly, and those who know it would fly but argue it wouldn't.

>>1
Yes, assuming the treadmill is turned off.

If it is on, then it depends on the speed of the tread and the direction of the plane since if it were travelling fast enough the resistance on the axil of the wheels of the plane will heat up and melt, increasing resistance between the plane and the tread till the plane doesn't have enough power. However if the plane were facing the other way it would be catapulted into the air.

If the tread mill is too slow to make a difference the wheels will be able to reduce resistance enough for the plane to gain enough airspeed to take off.

Applying real world physics to it the plane will not take off until the threadmill motor breaks down and the plane gain airspeed/relative to real ground speed.

Applying retard physics to it, where the wheel bearing somehow became totally frictionless and thus effectively removing any physical contact between the plane and threadmill, it will take off.

Misunderstanding the question and beliving that the threadmill is not powered by it's own motors and trough sensors match the airplanes relative to ground motion but instead is just free floating and would be powered by any thing such as the rotational motion that carwheels would apply to it to push it back makes the plane fly too as it's propelling force is drawed upon from the air, not the ground.

the correct answer is of course the first. the third makes you tragically misunderstood and the second makes you a plain old fashioned retard.

>>12
The thrid is congruent with reality.

>>13
and so is the first. the problem is that people subscribe to all of the situations without stating which so the threads turn into horrible flamewars whereas everyone is called trolls.

>>14 and >>11

OK, but this is a conceptual problem, not a practical one (I've yet to see a plane on a treadmill), therefor, friction on the wheels and things like resistance between the wheels and the plane are irrelevent. Conceptually, the plane will fly. In real wolrd application, the plane would still fly, but the 'mill will only have a small affect on the plane (i.e, the resistance of the wheels to the plane will add only a little counter-force to the plane).

Planes don't fit on tread mills you dumb Istanniggers.

>>15
Oh hell no they are very NOT irrelevant. they are the difference between the plane being a effectively a floating body and a plane on a runway.
If you say they are irrelevant then we can also rationalize things like air away, meaning that the plane will never lift off. or maybe we should put the threadmill next to the plane and then see if a spinning threadmill next to a runway have any effect on a plane taking off.

If you leave them out the question becomes severly retarded and very heavily flawed.
About the only thing we could conceptualize is that both the plane and runway are indestructible. As otherwise we have to know the structural strenght of the threadmill and wheels to know which breaks down first.

And a threadmill is powered by a motor. And as the question is formulated i take it for granted this motor have sensors to know  if the plane starts moving, in which case the motor turn up power, increase the threadmill velocity and retards the plane. This would effectively mean that both the wheels rotational velocity and threadmill would approach the speed of light, which would of course lead to the destruction of either wheels or threadmill in a real world sitation, but prior to that the plane would not leave ground.

>>17
tl;dr + troll'd

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