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is there a format math object ........

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 0:39

A vertex is a point in space.  A vector is a direction, but has no position.

Is there a formal mathematical object that contains both a vertex and a vector?  Lines aren't what I have in mind (those are defined by two vertices).  Right now in my program I'm just calling this construct a "bone" but that's a stupid word for it... is there a more formal terminology for a [Vertex, Vector] tuple?  "Directional point"?  Nah...

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 1:27

what are you using it for?

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 1:41

does your object have magnitude?  I can only imagine what you mean if you remove the magnitude part and only have direction.  Or perhaps it is a vector with two or more magnitudes, one magnitude for each of the dimensions of the space that it occupies.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 1:46

yeah it sounds like whatever youre doing you could do with either a higher dimensional point containing directional information?  like >>3, it sounds to me youre talking about a point with direction, rather than a magnitude with direction, so it wouldn't be a vector.

or do you mean a vector that doesnt start at the origin?

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 1:48

also, if a point has a direction, that would imply that it can have an orientation.  now, if the point is the classical zero-dimensional thing, can it be assigned an orientation?  now I'm thinking of how a point on a curve can be assigned a slope value, though that idea has been in terms of the curve having a specific slope at a given point, rather than in terms of a point itself having a slope.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 2:08

>>5
thats why derivitives are defined in terms of limits, since you would need a difference between two points to calculate slope.  the instantaneous slope is the value it approaches as that difference approaches 0.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 2:15

perhaps all you really need to say is you have a zero-magnitude vector that is located at a specific point.  technically, it's still a vector, just that its magnitude equals zero.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-07 12:06

>>7
the zero vector doesnt have direction though.  this is just some oriented point.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-10 0:26

how do you orientate something with zero dimension?  There's no front or back to it.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-10 0:43

A vertex is just 1 tomato of many. You, for instance, are a tomato.

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