God is either all-powerful or all-loving

Has it ever occured to you that if God was both all-powerful and all-loving he wouldn't create a world with suffering in it? There is unnecessary suffering, no one can doubt that. Some point out that we cause suffering to ourselves through our choices, because God gave us free will. Well, not all suffering is caused by other humans. What about natural disaters? Did hurricane Katrina happen because someone out there chose to make other humans suffer? I don't think so.
 
There is no point to having suffering on earth to teach us lessons. If God is all-powerful, he can create a world where we learn through non-painful ways. God can, if he is all-powerful, create a world where we don't suffer while still giving us free will. God has the power to shape this wordl any way he wants, but he doesn't seem to choose to do it in an all-loving way. For those that think a perfect hedonistic paradise would be boring, you don't seem to understand what God can do. God could make it so that we were always happy, and never got bored of it. You might think that God changing our desires is interferring with our free will. However, how is giving us a slightly different set of desires then the one we have any different, really? God gave us the temptation to do bad things, and then said we shouldn't do them. Hmmm, did he really expect us to be good ALL the time? It's like a parent putting a gun in the child's room, and telling them they can't touch or use it cause it's bad, even when the parent knows they gave the child the desire to use the gun.

Why is hell eternal if God loves us? Lets call God our parent for now, its a fair analogy. Parents punish their children for things they did wrong, including the choices we make. However, punishment always has a reason: it's to teach us a lesson. If hell is eternal, then there is no point to it, because we never get out. If I am sent to hell for not believing in God, I wouldn't learn the error of my ways. I would learn to hate God because he stuck me down in hell for eternity.

God sucks.

join the orthodox church. they actually make sense

>>41
I'd rather join the unorthodox church.

God is obsolete.

>>43
No shit, that's why Church membership is falling. Religion is for medieval times and countryside ignorants

death to catholics and muslims

lol @ atheists who go into shitfits when religion is mentioned

Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.
    Heywood Broun (1888 - 1939)

If there were no God, there would be no Atheists.
    G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

"If there were no God, there would be no Atheists."

That makes no sense :|

It'd make more sense if it said "If there were no religion..."

if you are an atheist you say i don't believe in god right? so obviously there has to be a god for you not to believe in. just like the boogeyman and michael jackson.

i deny square circles

Everything needs a rational basis. If you have a rational basis for god, that's fair enough, just admit you are wrong if you are crushed in debate.

>>47 Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God.
    Heywood Broun (1888 - 1939)

this is surprisingly true

>>49

Thats like saying i dont believe pigs can fly...so there must be flying pigs for me not to believe in!

>>53 yah, it was a joke. notice the comment about the boogeyman?

>>54
It's a dumb joke that makes no sense.

He loves my anus. And his divinty hurts!

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