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Astral Projection and String Theory

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-24 6:40

So, I was reading a bit about Astral Projection, and the possibility of it not being entirely in one's head.
Does anyone know enough about this and String Theory to comment on whether recent discoveries/theories could suggest that there's something in AP afterall?

With Astral Projection, we're talking shifting the vibration of subtle energy bodies to work on other planes. Of course, the world that we experience is one that happens to be vibrating at a similar level as us, so the possibilities of other 'dimensions' existing in the same plane may be likely.

We currently have cameras that can take pictures of one's aura (understood to be electromagnetic vibration?) and it's said that when people undergo AP, they tend to get stuck to things like pylons and powerstations.

When you look closely at the theory of it, it doesn't seem too batshit insane. There are loads of forums with thousands of people sharing their experiences doing this... but maybe they're all just fucking nuts.

So, with what we know about String Theory, is AP definately head-games?

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 11:22

Liberal 'science' people are fucking retards. They say stuff like science being a religion because scientists are so devolted to finding the truth.

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 16:35

>>81
Here we go again with this Liberal/Conservative meme nonsense. Jesus Fuck Shit Christ, are you retarded? Everytime *you* (yes, I know it's *you*, you're a repeat of offender of this bullshit.) pull this sanctamonious crap I just want to put my fucking elbow through the computer screen.

"Liberal science people"? Have you become so desperate to appear right in every. single. last. thread. that you've actually begun making up words and phrases? Neverminding the fact, that you *completely* misunderstand what was said.

Some people use science like a religion, because they themselves DO NOT apply the methodology of science to their lives. When confronted with *any* of life's unanswerables they scream SCCCCCCCCIIIIIIIIEEEEEEENNNNNNCCCCCCEEEEEEE and through a process of faggotry think somehow that means they are AUTOMATIC searching for the truth. You're searching for nothing but an easy way out of the argument.

^^^^^^^How you can confuse this with some communist liberal hackey message is beyond hetrosexual comprehension and I must only concluse that you are a faggot.

AND Guess what asshole? Every time you dodge the issues and resort to calling someone a liberal or a conservative - that fanaticsm. Just like a Christian will sit there and say some convoluted shit about heathens or athetists. How do you not see this?

IT MUST BE ALL THOSE COCKS FIGHTING FOR TERRORITY ON YOUR FACE.

p.S

"DEVOLTED ISN'T A WORD"

COME HERE ONCE YOU'RE THE FUCKING DRINKING AGE

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 16:54 (sage)

>>82
Which people? I mean, there probably are some, but none come to mind atm. None with an actual education in one of the natural sciences anyway. Examples pls.

Btw I think YHBT completely.

Bbtw how do I make my text bold/italic/underlined

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 17:04

There's some of them in this same thread. They know who they are. They're the ones that will start appling liberal vs conservative at the drop of a fucking hat.

and yeah, I did get trolled. badly

[ i ] [ / i ]

bold, italic with brackets into set of those other things in HTML...you know what I mean

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 17:07

oh. bbcode. how lame.

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 17:52

lol, i meant "liberal arts". got >>82 worked up for nothing.

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 18:33

HOW DO I GRASPED ONTOLOGY

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 19:59

>>86

you didn't mean that. unless you get sciences and arts mixed up alot. in that case- it pretty much explain that entire asinine statement

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-30 23:27

>>69
This thread is dead, everyone GTFO.

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-31 1:32 (sage)

>>89
gb2/vip/ or something

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-31 3:31

NO U

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-31 11:09

92GET

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-31 12:13

>>90
If Anonymous doesn't come to /vip, /vip comes to Anonymous

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-31 17:09

Truth isn't necessarily logical truth or philosophical truth. If, for example, a belief that you astrally project rather than have a lucid dream enables you to change your personality for the better, where if you believe it is just a dream you cannot, then which is the truth?

Name: Anonymous 2006-01-31 21:40

One man’s “magic” is another man’s engineering. “Supernatural” is a null word.
-Robert A. Heinlein

 I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind - that its modest and greatly overestimated services on the ethical side have been more than overcome by the damage it has done to clear and honest thinking.
     I believe that no discovery of fact, however trivial, can be wholly useless to the race, and that no trumpeting of falsehood, however virtuous in intent, can be anything but vicious.
     I believe that all government is evil, in that all government must necessarily make war upon liberty...
     I believe that the evidence for immortality is no better than the evidence of witches, and deserves no more respect.
     I believe in the complete freedom of thought and speech...
     I believe in the capacity of man to conquer his world, and to find out what it is made of, and how it is run.
     I believe in the reality of progress.
     I - But the whole thing, after all, may be put very simply. I believe that it is better to tell the truth than to lie. I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe that it is better to know than be ignorant.
-H. L. Mencken

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 1:35 (sage)

you're quoting delusional, drug-addled high-school drop-outs who wouldn't know science if you it them on the head with a linear accelerator. good work anonymous

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 4:47

AP has nothing to do with religion, this why you faggards fail in this debate. Look it up, try and explain it or unexplain it...but don't try to come off like you know what you're talking about. Some of us can see through your ignorance.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 6:12 (sage)

who said anything about religion?

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 6:21

it [AP] is getting compared to it in here, when it shouldn't

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 6:54

YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS!!! IT'S NOT UP TO US TO EXPLAIN WHY IT DOESN'T WORK!!! WELCOME TO SCIENCE!!!

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 6:54

also, 100get.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 11:34

Astral Projection
Why is this shit in /sci(ence)? Stupid crackpots...

>>100
Truth

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 14:58

Why don't you stop debating about it and try it out already?

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 16:33

>>100

wrong. when you say: "it's bullshit", you have to qualify that statement. no one came on here and said AP is for everyone and it definately works- if you're asserting that it's bullshit, then you either prove it or get the fuck out of the thread. it isn't that hard.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 17:25

>>104

IT'S AUTOMATICALLY BULLSHIT UNLESS SOMETIME EXPLAINS HOW IT WORKS!!! WE DON'T PROVE NEGATIVES!!! WELCOME TO SCIENCE!!!

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 17:26

SOMEONE*

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-01 20:20

>>105
actually "we" do prove negatives and that's precisely what you do seem to get. welcome to science. :)

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-02 2:57 (sage)

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Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 11:49

Just read up on transcendental meditation and do it already.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 13:19 (sage)

anecdotal (testimonial) evidence

Testimonials and vivid anecdotes are one of the most popular and convincing forms of evidence presented for beliefs in the supernatural, paranormal, and pseudoscientific. Nevertheless, testimonials and anecdotes in such matters are of little value in establishing the probability of the claims they are put forth to support. Sincere and vivid accounts of one’s encounter with an angel or the Virgin Mary, an alien, a ghost, a Bigfoot, a child claiming to have lived before, purple auras around dying patients, a miraculous dowser, a levitating guru, or a psychic surgeon are of little value in establishing the reasonableness of believing in such matters.

Anecdotes are unreliable for various reasons. Stories are prone to contamination by beliefs, later experiences, feedback, selective attention to details, and so on. Most stories get distorted in the telling and the retelling. Events get exaggerated. Time sequences get confused. Details get muddled. Memories are imperfect and selective; they are often filled in after the fact. People misinterpret their experiences. Experiences are conditioned by biases, memories, and beliefs, so people's perceptions might not be accurate. Most people aren't expecting to be deceived, so they may not be aware of deceptions that others might engage in. Some people make up stories. Some stories are delusions. Sometimes events are inappropriately deemed psychic simply because they seem improbable when they might not be that improbable after all. In short, anecdotes are inherently problematic and are usually impossible to test for accuracy.

Thus, stories of personal experience with paranormal or supernatural events have little scientific value. If others cannot experience the same thing under the same conditions, then there will be no way to verify the experience. If there is no way to test the claim made, then there will be no way to tell if the experience was interpreted correctly. If others can experience the same thing, then it is possible to make a test of the testimonial and determine whether the claim based on it is worthy of belief. As parapsychologist Charles Tart once said after reporting an anecdote of a possibly paranormal event: “Let’s take this into the laboratory, where we can know exactly what conditions were. We don’t have to hear a story told years later and hope that it was accurate.” Dean Radin also noted that anecdotes aren't good proof of the paranormal because memory “is much more fallible than most people think” and eyewitness testimony “is easily distorted”(Radin 1997: 32).

Testimonials regarding paranormal experiences are of little use to science because selective thinking and self-deception must be controlled for in scientific observations. Most psychics and dowsers, for example, do not even realize that they need to do controlled tests of their powers to rule out the possibility that they are deceiving themselves. They are satisfied that their experiences provide them with enough positive feedback to justify the belief in their paranormal abilities. Controlled tests of psychics and dowsers would prove once and for all that they are not being selective in their evidence gathering. It is common for such people to remember their apparent successes and ignore or underplay their failures. Controlled tests can also determine whether other factors such as cheating might be involved.

If such testimonials are scientifically worthless, why are they so popular and why are they so convincing? There are several reasons. Testimonials are often vivid and detailed, making them appear credible. They are often made by enthusiastic people who seem trustworthy and honest, and who lack any reason to deceive us. They are often made by people with some semblance of authority, such as those who hold a Ph.D. in psychology or physics. To some extent, testimonials are believable because people want to believe them. Often, one anticipates with hope some new treatment or instruction. One’s testimonial is given soon after the experience while one’s mood is still elevated from the desire for a positive outcome. The experience and the testimonial it elicits are given more significance than they deserve.

Finally, it should be noted that testimonials are often used in many areas of life, including medical science, and that giving due consideration to such testimonials is considered wise, not foolish. A physician will use the testimonies of his or her patients to draw conclusions about certain medications or procedures. For example, a physician will take anecdotal evidence from a patient about a reaction to a new medication and use that information in deciding to adjust the prescribed dosage or to change the medication. This is quite reasonable. But the physician cannot be selective in listening to testimony, listening only to those claims that fit his or her own prejudices. To do so is to risk harming one’s patients. Nor should the average person be selective when listening to testimonials regarding some paranormal or occult experience.

http://skepdic.com

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 14:43

>>110

that's cool. but that doesn't apply here.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 15:07 (sage)

>>111 what are you talking about

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 16:36

>>111
Fucking moron.

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 16:46

>>112
>>113

It doesn't apply here, in this instance. Still doesn't disprove anything. If a response to any of life's unanswerable is: "Science". Then that's just like answering: "God". Unless methodology is involved it is not scientific absolutism IE "actual science"

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 16:50

>>114
I AM GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 19:28

>>115
I AM GOING TO LICK YOUR ASS*

fixed*

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 20:14

>>116
I AM GOING TO LICK YOUR LASS*

fixed*

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-03 22:34

>>117
I GOING TO L-WHERE IS SARAH CONNOR?*

fixed?*

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-04 16:36

>>118
I G-A HUGE GAPING VAGINA THE SIZE OF A HALLWAY

Name: Anonymous 2006-02-04 17:02

>>119
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD

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