So, I was reading a bit about Astral Projection, and the possibility of it not being entirely in one's head.
Does anyone know enough about this and String Theory to comment on whether recent discoveries/theories could suggest that there's something in AP afterall?
With Astral Projection, we're talking shifting the vibration of subtle energy bodies to work on other planes. Of course, the world that we experience is one that happens to be vibrating at a similar level as us, so the possibilities of other 'dimensions' existing in the same plane may be likely.
We currently have cameras that can take pictures of one's aura (understood to be electromagnetic vibration?) and it's said that when people undergo AP, they tend to get stuck to things like pylons and powerstations.
When you look closely at the theory of it, it doesn't seem too batshit insane. There are loads of forums with thousands of people sharing their experiences doing this... but maybe they're all just fucking nuts.
So, with what we know about String Theory, is AP definately head-games?
Clearly you don't know what Astral Projection is. "Funky colors"? Yeah, ok, you just keep telling yourself that's what it is and the rest of us will keep nodding/smiling/humoring you because obviously you haven't experienced AP or even attempted study of AP.
It's bullshit, because you haven't studied it. It baffles me how you can continue to argue this. You must be very, very young and immature. Or very, very stupid.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 6:03 (sage)
Please show us any article about AP in a respectable peer-reviewed scientific journal. There is nothing to study. You grasp at straws.
Just like you can't prove that there isn't a God.
Someone brings up AP saying it's real because they done it.
Then you come along and say it's bullshit.
Sorry, but...the burden of proof is on you this time around.
When someone creates an "AP doesn't exist" thread and someone says "yes it does" the burden of proof will be on them.
So, yeah, you've got 24 hours to disprove it or faggotry will take ahold. Please prove through personal experience or peer study saying that AP, multiple-dimensions and the like are 100% absolutely false.
Thank you.
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d2006-01-27 7:42 (sage)
Goddamnit. Reading a textbook on the philosophy of science should be a requirement before being allowed to post on this board.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 8:39 (sage)
Sorry, but...the burden of proof is on you this time around. When someone creates an "AP doesn't exist" thread and someone says "yes it does" the burden of proof will be on them.
Seriously. Where is the scientific study saying that AP "is bullshit"? I mean, if it's truly some screw ball conception...you guys should have no trouble disproving it.
Just like there is no proof of a tea pot flying around pluto to disprove.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 19:43
scientist: AP is made of bullshit and fail.
APer: no it's not... prove it!
scientist: i don't have to prove that it doesn't exist, just like god and cosmic teapots.
APer: but anyone can do it... why not try it before commenting on something you don't have a clue about?
scientist: because it's obviously just bullshit... you lack critical thinking. And you fail.
APer: all I'm saying it TRY IT before writing it off. Surely completely ignoring the fact that you could actually do that lacks critical thinking...
scientist: but it's bullshit... y'know, drugs and tree hugging hippy shit.
APer: but it seems to tie in with science a considerable amount. If you just tried it and thought about what it could be, maybe you could learn a whole lot about the universe... I mean, you already know that there's only so much we can experience using our physical bodies alone.
scientist: but i don't want to try it because it's bullshit.
APer: /sigh
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Anonymous2006-01-27 19:45 (sage)
APer: all I'm saying it TRY IT before writing it off. Surely completely ignoring the fact that you could actually do that lacks critical thinking...
scientist: but it's bullshit... y'know, drugs and tree hugging hippy shit.
APer: but it seems to tie in with science a considerable amount. If you just tried it and thought about what it could be, maybe you could learn a whole lot about the universe... I mean, you already know that there's only so much we can experience using our physical bodies alone.
scientist: but i don't want to try it because it's bullshit.
APer: /sigh
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Anonymous2006-01-27 19:52 (sage)
1.5x post... apologies.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 19:56
lol, "scientist" more like "kid who hasn't graduated high school." and to that I don't sigh: I laugh.
secondly, you're operating on assumptions. you assume it's bullshit without a study being done. you don't know that god doesn't exist, you don't know AP isn't real. you haven't performed the methodology to arrive to a conclusion one way or another. that's why you automatically assume that I am "an APer". I'm not. but i'm not immature/arrogant enough and soooo desperate to percieve myself as correct that i'd sit here and say something like: ap doesn't exist, god doesn't exist.
the fact here is that you don't know - and if you don't know, then you shut the fuck up and stop pushing your bullshit as fact. you make yourself no different from the people who say that intelligent design is valid theory. you are just as fanatical.
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Anonymous2006-01-27 20:11
I say we conduct a test. Without drugs. Let me know your results after continued studying/practicing.
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Knowledge about absolute truths of reality is impossible anyway. It's all about faith, and I have faith in science, because its methodologies have proved most useful thus far.
Guess why creationists never say "I've never looked through a telescope or looked at rocks, so why should I believe that the universe is more than 10000 years old?" because they are not drugged out of their minds enough to think that such a level of ignorance doesn't make you look like a crazy fuck. They are ignorant, but not to the point where they are completely bat shit fucking loco.
So why are you scientists so terrified of taking drugs and going on an AP trip?
Actually this is a blatant lie and I'm trolling, having hallucinations of the room you've just been in and being semi-awake and listenning to people move around and talk to you isn't enough evidence to suggest astral projection is occurring. Working from the facts up astral projection has no basis. Working from the imagination and hand picking "facts" to suite what a person wants to believe and you can come up with anything. You can claim that Mo Mowlam is an unnattractive slut and horrible to children and other people if you only showed her at her worst, even though she risked her life in the face of terrorism to reach peace agreements in northern Ireland with the IRA. That doesn't mean she is mean and horrible.
You are all nazi hitlers.
According to Godwin's law this thread has ended. Go your seperate ways.
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no thanks. how about you show us a study that says AP isn't real instead?
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i'm not arguing for AP. that's why all that shit you said? simply doesn't apply to me. the point I'm trying to make is that these assholes can't wave their inexperience and ignorance around as science. if this was some science nerd who did acid and had an explaination...then fine. but saying "AP is bullshit" when you haven't tried it, have no studies disproving it (drugs or no drugs) ...simply doesn't cut if you have a functioning brain that is fueled by reason and logic.
something is very wrong when you start turning science into religious dogma. "it's bullshit" is the response I got from a guy when I asked him about evolution. it's NOT the response you get from someone claiming to be scientific
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Anonymous2006-01-29 6:59
It's bullshit, until you show otherwise. (Which is unlikely, seeing as how it's bullshit.)
That's how science works. Can you show that there weren't giant ethereal elephants on the dark side of the moon at some point? You can't. Similarly I can't show that AP is bullshit, but in the absence of any positive evidence that is the default assumption which science makes.
It's all explained in that book I keep linking you. Please read it.
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Anonymous2006-01-29 9:16
Those who claim that astral projection is real are making the positive existential claim and the burden of proof is upon them.
If I may paraphrase Nietszche, subjective experience, faith, and personal belief are meaningless, as an afternoon of talking with the patients in any mental ward will demonstrate.
if you think this has anything to with some BS throught up by a few teens on acids living in a post-scarcity society then you're either one of them or just a general fucking idiot.
Again: Opinion, not fact. "Assumption" not fact. "Assumption" not personal experience that would lead you assumption. You can continue to cry "bullshit" into the night and attempt to link me to any old shitty book(I'm not clicking of your condescending fucking link- ever. Fuck off.) But the only fact here is: You don't know. This clearly shown in your constant reference to "ethereal elephants" and "funky colors" and shit. What the fuck does all that shit have to do with Astral Projection? It's begs the question of whether or not you even know what Astral Projection even *is*.
The answer seems to be "No."
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Anonymous2006-01-29 17:35 (sage)
You people sure are easily trolled.
Even if this guy is for real, he clearly doesn't want to understand science. Just let him live in his little dreamworld, he's not hurting anyone with it.
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my name is Squeeks2006-01-29 20:35
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fails for not grasping either the scientific method or basic ontology.
God damn it you fucking retards need to learn science. This is why the United States is trying to teach creationism in schools. This is why we didn't sign the Kyoto treaty. No one is learning how to fucking critically think any more.
No it's the exact opposite. People are trying to teach stupid fucking creationism in school because so called "scientist" that ignore methodlogy and treat their own science like some absurd unrefutable religion. This is the VERY REASON why creationist even *think* that they can be on the level of science.