Astral Projection and String Theory

So, I was reading a bit about Astral Projection, and the possibility of it not being entirely in one's head.
Does anyone know enough about this and String Theory to comment on whether recent discoveries/theories could suggest that there's something in AP afterall?

With Astral Projection, we're talking shifting the vibration of subtle energy bodies to work on other planes. Of course, the world that we experience is one that happens to be vibrating at a similar level as us, so the possibilities of other 'dimensions' existing in the same plane may be likely.

We currently have cameras that can take pictures of one's aura (understood to be electromagnetic vibration?) and it's said that when people undergo AP, they tend to get stuck to things like pylons and powerstations.

When you look closely at the theory of it, it doesn't seem too batshit insane. There are loads of forums with thousands of people sharing their experiences doing this... but maybe they're all just fucking nuts.

So, with what we know about String Theory, is AP definately head-games?

if you believe in the possiblity of string theory or m theory, then astral projection shouldn't be much of a stretch.

lol why don't you prove to me that time and space are actual dimensions?

because

string theory: based on algebraic quantum field theory
astral projection: based on teens on acid

a rather large rift, wouldn't you think?

>>162

except one thing:

astral projection isn't based on teens on acid

I'm sure you have a _perception_ of astral projection being related to LSD, but the REALITY is that it isn't.

the moment you stop falling back on the hippie crutch is the moment we can talk about this

WHAT IS ASTRAL PROJECTION?

>>163
what is is based on then? it surely ain't string theory, since this is something i'm more than familiar with.

1: Come up with some crazy theory
2:
3: Claim it is based on fact.

It would be largely based on perception, most significantly the perception you do not posess having only one half of your complete consciousness. AP is a form of a link between the two, there are many link possibilities due to the size of the subconscious and as such, links in different areas will yield vastly different results since they would be getting them from different areas of the subconscious which holds different information and abilities in different areas just like anything else would.

Good luck breaking the wall between the half of you that you do know and the half you don't know though, especially the way the half you know yourself as is and the fact you think you are a complete self already (this is demonstrated by the fact you just blatantly disregard the existance of AP simply because you're too fucking stupid about yourself to possibly understand what it is, had you a better self or a better amount of link between yourselves, it would be rather easy to determine these things, but alas you live like all others in this world and hence are the problem asto why humanity runs stagnant, relying on making babies as evolution. act of which is about the stupidest and biggest self defeating thing anyone can ever do).

Oh, by the way, it is strings that all such things reside in, so they are closely fucking related, but all things exist on string so everything is related, just in varying degrees of due to the nature of string.

sage for your death and you not even realizing it despite being given ample amounts of time to do so, you failure.

>>167
Wait wait wait.. One half of your consciousness? What the fuck are you talking about? How can you know if something is 1/2 of your consciousness? I am an open critic and am not quibbling when I say that I am not going to accept the rest of your little speech, since you haven't even defined what type of subconscious you are talking about. There is also the history of mystical/magical dogma surrounding the subconscious that any person wishing to discuss AP should address. Though this is not necessary with, not everyone is as open as me and they would need some convincing that you are not a quack (and not everyone who is open is as critical as me).

Just say in clear simple terms what evidence there is to suggest AP exists. Answer "What do people who have had what they think is an AP experience believe distinguishes AP from a hallucination?" for instance.

Try again.

not necessary with me**

>>167

PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS HAVE RUINED YOUR LIFE. ENJOY YOUR MENTAL DISABILITY!

>>168

why don't you tell me in clear simple terms the evidence that time and space are "absolute dimensions". I.E - things that would exist without our perception of their existence. you're sitting there bitching about mystical/magical dogma while perscribing to a dogma of your own.

you fail

>>171

You respond to an honest question attempting to really discuss AP and you have a knee-jerk reaction and say that he's bitching.

That, young Skywalker, is why you fail.

PS: I'm not >>168.

>>172

That's just the thing though, it's not an "honest question". It was an opinionated statement (Astral Projection is for druggies.) The only reason you give it the benefit of the doubt is because you are bias to his view point.

If we can percieve different "dimensions" with string theory/m theory, cognitively. Then there is little evidence to support that we don't percieve those different "dimensions", subconsciously.

Now responding to the above statement with: "The only people who talk about AP have done LSD, are DRUGGIES, are scum." - is a flat out character attack. By virtue of science alone, you should be more open to questioning those "absolute answers" that some scientist claim to have.

This type dogmatic approach to an idea as innocent as astral projection is dangerously close to how the church dealt with those who said the earth was round.

the additional dimensions predicted by the string theories are compactified. there is no way to perceive them.

see? all it took was a two sentence description of AP to disprove it.

>>174

"there is no way to percieve them" isn't methodology, pal. You're basically saying: "But, the world is flat. So there's no proof that it could possibly be round."

Prove that we do not subconsciously percieve different dimensions.

NO SHITHEAD, I'M TELLING YOU THAT SAYING "OOOH STRING THEORIES PROVE AP" ISN'T GOING TO WORK BECAUSE: IN STRING THEORIES THE N-4 DIMENSIONS ARE COMPACTIFIED. IT'S MATHEMATICALLY ("THEORETICALLY") IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE THERE.

AND EVEN IF YOU DID (AND YOU CAN'T!), THOSE DIMENSIONS LOOP ON THEMSELVES AND ARE UTTERLY TINY!

IT APPEARS THAT I AM SURROUNDED BY IGNORANT FOOLS AND TROLLS.

>>176

So tiny that we can't percieve them, even sub consciously?

Like I said: Prove that we do not subconsciously (or even consciously) percieve different dimensions.

Cap locks is the bastion of the intellectually damned.

>>177
Uh, no.  If you're making the claim that it's possible to perceive these dimensions, it's up to YOU to prove it.  If you're making the claim that "astral projection," whatever that may be, is real, it's up to YOU to prove it.

I can claim that giraffes are real, and if you will accept what you see a trip to the zoo as evidence, I can prove it.

Simple, yes?

>>178

Uh, no. If you're the one making the claim that "astral projection" isn't real or it's all about LSD and all this shit. It's up to YOU to qualify that statement with a study or some facts that completely debunk it as a viable theory.

You keep asking me to prove it as if you'll be swayed by proof. Clearly when we're talking about different dimensions and the ability to percieve those dimensions even time and space can be disproven.

One thing we can say for sure is that you have no scientific response to astral project other than "YOU prove it."

You have as much of an answer to astral projection as the pro-astral projection guys.

This is why you keep returning to this thread, repeating the same shit over and over. The only thing I hear when you post is: "I can disprove Astral Projection about as well as you can prove it."

I'm talking about possiblities, you're talking impossiblities.

YOU FUCKING SHITHEAD! COMPACT DIMENSIONS! COMPACT BEING THE KEY FUCKING WORD HERE! HOW DO YOU PEER INTO COMPACTIFIED SPACE? THE ANSWER IS THAT YOU CAN'T! YOU CAN'T! IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND THAT? THEORETICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! YOU CAN'T! MUCH LIKE 1+1 CAN'T BE 3, YOU FUCKING MORON!

which isn't to say that AP isn't true -- YOU JUST CAN'T USE STRING THEORIES TO ARGUE THAT IT IS!!! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE IN THE FRAMEWORK OF STRING THEORIES OKAY?!?!

JESUS! FUCKING! CHRIST! EITHER YOU'RE TROLLING OR YOU'RE AN IGNORANT KID WITH SUCH AN OPEN MIND THAT IT FUCKING FLEW RIGHT OUT OF YOUR HEAD!

>>180
MUCH LIKE 1+1 CAN'T BE 3
It can be, if you redefine your symbols or fonts

Ha ha ha ha ha, man, if they were trolling, they were overly successful!

>>181
I wasn't even trolling, I was telling the truth, I just saged because of this poor guy.
Your subconscious can perceive them, it may be all it perceives, though, it is probably because this is all it has to, it is YOUR consciousness which you (i'm talking to the capslock wonder, though according to a previous thread I think he might have left 4chan, I guess I don't even have to continue this post since Anonymous's work (all of us) has already been comleted, but the topic is still good even though the thread isn't) mistakenly believe to be at full, it is at half, if you had your subconscious and your conscious together you would not be so thethered to this plane of existance and more importantly, it's literal plane of will representation. The reason why no one proves it, is that those who work on it work to master, and those who master don't have to deal with retards like you anymore if they so please. Anyone can do this now to a degree, but the ability once your consciounesses unite has the potential to be complete.

Your subconscious cannot perceive anything. It's just a product of logic running on three dimensions.

>>183

FAILS FOR BEING 100% WRONG

>>184
Fails for caring.

>>179
You refuse to answer any questions, therefore your concession of all my points is noted.  Thanks for playing.  As a consolation prize, you win the home version of our game.

In conclusion, U FAIL.  I suggest that you LURK MOAR.

>>186
Ok, astral projection and string theory seperate themselves in your undertanding due to logic and reason, congratulations for giving into the mirror, stare at it ever so glossy eyed as you wonder why they are there to act as so, while never wondering why you cannot see your subconscious, or what you can do to change it. But you are obviously very much content with this world and its societies, one of which you live in, and their line of beliefs found entirely in the first half of the consciousness, the one that perceives the result of the subconscious but not the subconscious itself. Perhaps when you yourself grow tired of the way things are here, and where they are headed, you will ditch petty and weak reason and logic, but you have limited time to do so remember, for under the society of reason and logic, you are destined to die, it is your will to die since you do not focus it on anything other than death, that is, subconsciously. Gee, it sure would be nice to erase that focus entirely in your own personal string interpreter and controller now wouldn't it?

Very seriously, I am telling you this for your own good, no matter what reason and logic themselves will tell you about the matter. You choose who you listen to, I'm just making sure that there is an even representation so that you truly can make up your own mind instead of having your will mirrored back at you by the will of the twin rulers of the intellectualist design and all of their relatives, who posess complete control of your will because you so easily hand it to them without so much as a passing thought as to "maybe not".

>>187 having your will mirrored back at you by the will of the twin rulers of the intellectuallist design

I put that through Babelfish but all that came back was "fgsfds."  Care to try again, in English this time?

>>188

Whoa, >>187 what the hell are you doing, man? You sound stoned and you're totally fucking up my arguement. What made you think that post would be effective? This is SERIOUS BUSINESS! Guys like >>188 don't fuck around, man. Foolish >>187! Your sentimentality will only get you killed! World4ch isn't like the others!

I don't get it. Are you all 12 years old?

Answer this: is there any proof whatsoever than so-called AP are nothing but dreams (either spontaneous or drug-induced, it doesn't matter)?

No?

Than that's it. Why does this crap warrant a 200-post thread?
Why am I wasting my time here? *sigh*

>>189

Damn straight.  I am Anonymous, and Anonymous does not forgive.

Why do you all happen do be anonymous....?
                Astral projection is then again a personal
                belief or seen from the user's point of view;
                knowledge.Personnally,I support this person proclaiming the existence of the astral plane of projection.Read a bit about the occult.It is all based upon the indivudual's self.This means you can depend only upon yourself.If the worlds psychiatrists can admit there's only 13 per cent of the humans brain known uses...Then theres 87 per cent unknown...left to explore.Admit it.To me he is exploring the unkown receases of the human conscious.Forgive my english i'm a french studient.             ..../////....=)!

>>192
If the worlds psychiatrists can admit there's only 13 per cent of the humans brain known uses...
This is a myth, and you'd know it had to be if you knew even the slightest bit about evolution or science or anything at all.

A student, you say? WTF are you studying?

Certainly not science...

No, whatever the number is, for sure you do not use anywhere near your entire mind, the part you don't see? It's called the subconscious fucking idiot >>193.

>>193
Certainly not science...
Not science but SCIIIIEEEEEENNNNNCNCCCCCE!

>>194
So you don't use your subconscious? That's pretty fucked up.

i consider myself superconscious.

I consider myself semi-conscious.  That is, I am aware of large trucks.

>>196
If you did, you wouldn't be on 4chan, that's for sure.

Not myth.myths are something to do with antique times.What is science to you anyway? scienti wich means knowledge.AP isnt science.Stuff may begin whith doubt.Remember how people thought volta was crazy when he first managed to stock energy?And science usually goes with sapiens wich otherwise is linked to consciousness.I found the problem.None of you all cared to develop the subject.You're all running around upon basic lines of sensibility.No,the part you can't see cannot be the subconscious.Electroencephalography has observed the active parts of the brain during sleep,more acurately when the rapid eye movements start occuring.Explain that to me ...I'm always eager to learn.(this isn't irony).If electroencephalography still hasn't found the brain to be active in some parts then it means that these parts arent commonly/at all used.Wait for science's progress to find what science can't explain.Time is the only limit.Now here's something wonderfull.17 lines of debate and no swearing.Admit I'm a calm person at least.