Hentai objectification vs instinct

The questionability of women portrayed as being used only for sex, and the human desire to use women only for sex.  Both go against our "civilized" mindset, yet are natural feelings.  Perhaps this conflict between what we see as lawfully or ethically right vs what we see as naturally or instinctively right, is what makes hentai so powerful a combination. 

In other words, how can this be wrong when it feels so right? 

I 'm no expert, but I recalled reading somewhere (and it was something by Freud) that our primal desires are part of our natual psyche (the Id), as we grow up we learn the rules of living in our society (speaking from a Darwinian stand-point this is a normal thing for any animal as it helps us survive by keeping us in good standings with the other members of our species that we depend upon (and keep them from wanting to kill us)). Now in humans these laws are quite complex, strict, and contrary to what the Id tells us to do (possibly due to religious influences in our history, but that's another story). These laws of society form the Super-Ego. Now, since our psyche is split into two arguing sides we need something to moderate the two, we have an Ego.

In short, yes objectifying women as sexual objects is natural because the Id is trying to get us to procreate and help us survive by making more little Humans. However our Super-Ego realizes that jumping the woman you meet in the super-market will not go over well with everyone else in our society and tells us to NOT rape the woman. Hopefully the Ego steps in and mediates between the two by doing something socially acceptable that also satisfies the Id (To continue the previous example, you go over, say 'hi', get to know her, try to get a date, etc. Hell, maybe you just take mental picture for later use, anyways... This keeps the Super-Ego from having a fit and promises the Id a treat if it can sit quietly for a little while). If the Ego can't moderate between the two you get problems. If the Id has it's way you molest/rape the woman (which puts you in prison and potentially limits/eliminates your ability to contribute to the gene-pool). if the Super-Ego gets it's way, you slink off into reclusion and never speak to a female out of fear (again, destroying your chances of furthering the species). These are extreme examples, but I think they get the point across.

>>2

FREUD WAS PROVED TO BE A FUCKING FRAUD FIFTY YEARS AGO. GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM.

>>2

FREUD WAS PROVED TO BE A FRAUD THIRTY YEARS AGO. GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM.

Also it creates unrealistic expectations for women, if someone depends on a fantasy girl with enormous breasts, and then finds real women dissapointing due to having tiny breasts.  Which is the case with 98% of Japan.

>>5
Don't forget big asses, long legs, bottomless vaginas, etc.

Now that I think about it...  I wonder if the desire for big breasts is what made the Japanese people subconsciously change their diet over the last decade thus resulting in more curvaceous women?

My only wish is to have hentai coexist in a society that values feminism and respect for women, but still celebrates misogyny by publishing regularly hentai manga in english in every convenience store.

>>7
Hentai is better then porn in a way.
In porn women sell themself , but in Hentai it's just drawings.

Drawings that go past social boundaries

It isn't wrong.  It was just one of those idiot things society designed to screw with you.  Wanna cyber?

Even though the acceptability of the content of an image varies from person to person based on their own tastes and values why do some people find hentai to be so objectionable?  It's not real, it's a drawing...

"This is not a pipe."
~René Magritte

"The map is not the territory."
~Alfred Korzybski

It also wastes valuable time that could be spend working, studying, helping the poor, or discovering new breakthroughs in science.

like anyone here would do that.

HOW IS THIS SCIENCE IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER

GB2/POL/

It's biology mostly.  If you constantly have sexualized views of women and sex itself, it can create psychological addiction.  This can fuel more intense sexual desires aimed at adult anime/manga, while avoiding contact with real women, causing the human gene pool to lack diversity. 

>>15
TRUST ME THE GENE POOL DOESNT WANT YOU

There is also the study between sex crimes and depictions of "violent" sex acts.  A study has shown Japan has a significantly low number of sex crimes but a high number amount of violent sexual depictions, possibly indicating that a fantasy outlet can decrease sex related crimes, rather than increase them as some conservative groups claim.  From a scientific standpoint, more people need to jack off or the Earth will have too high a population density, killing us all.

WTF there is too much data on how ppl who sit at desks day + nite percieve violence here.  Stop and get t3h data on why tentacl monsterz name their children so that they w1ll 0wn walk-down barZ.

Huh?

>>17
Japan also has trouble with people not reporting sex crimes.

It's still worth a shot.  I say translate and localize every adult manga available, except loli.

A lot of it is an instant turn on just by the context of disregard for social standards.  "Oh my god that's so wrong, yet so awesome" is a typical response for most hentai.  Nise Midi seems to have mastered this.

Hentai is not mysoginistic. There's hentai of all kinds. It's a matter of fitting your fetishes, and your fetishes may or may not include dominating women and/or dominating men.

If there's not much male rape, it's only becuase there are fewer girls that like hentai, because of our stupid social conditioning (when liking porn is absolutely natural and normal), and because it's not a popular fetish among them.

In fact, I was surprised when I found, thanks to polls in several message boards, that out of the girls who like hentai, a similar percentage of them like tentacle rape... on girls.

I can't find a woman attractive unless she has at least an F cup, and I can't find an attractive woman with at least an F cup.

It's a vicious cycle.

I'm all like look busty woman in tiny swimsuit jackoff ATTACKK!!!! and five anonymous guys simultaneously squirt on her and afterwards she's like "sorry for inconveniencing you" and she takes a shower and that's it.

I am psychologically addicted!  It is the brain!  Nooooo! 

Quite interesting if you taje a look at the net. thet at real life. On the internet the 'Ego' should have no real boundaries.

As Friedrich Nietzsche once said, man is "a rope tied between beast and Overman."  Something to chew on.

Chew on the rope?

God is dead - Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead - God

God is dead - Nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead - God

IT IS A TIME LOOP. WON'T IT EVER STOP??

Nietzsche is pretty fucking Nietzsche FYI
-- Friedrich "Spincock" Nietzsche

NO. Nietzsche got cocky and God made him go mad and killed him. It's a difficult truth to accept, but the evidence is staring you in the face. You cannot deny it.

Nietzsche had a pretty cool beard at one point in his life.

Marx had a SWEET beard.

>>27
I read about a simple test once done about honesty involving an office, cookies, and people choosing to pay as they eat. It turned out the guy made back 97% of the cost of the cookies.

If you have ever been to a Sikh eating place, they have a "pay by conscience" system where you eat for as little or as much as you like. Very good if you are student. 

When Nietzsche is pronounced wrong, it sounds like Nazi.

Can sex instinct be inhibited to prevent population overgrowth?

>>39  

Certainly.  Simply kill all those who are known to have sex.  This includes all pregnant women and all men they accuse of impregnating them.  If they lie, who cares?  If they get backstreet abortions, who cares?  Our goal is to prevent population overgrowth.  We'll just take out anyone we have half an excuse to.