How do you use PHP?

Just wondering but when you start a PHP project do you use a 3rd party framework, plain old PHP or your own PHP framework?

I just kinda open a text editor then smack my face into the keyboard until it all works.

I use the frameworks Perl, Python, Ruby or even Java. Those are very good frameworks you will never even know your are using PHP

How do you use PHP?
Terribly!

>>4
>le pedophile sage

install gentoo

Plain PHP, easy and simple. Frameworks are for architecture astronauts.

Giving it its well-deserved retirement and proceeding to use a language that is actually decent.

>>7

I thought you were a bit less of an artless hack, Cudder, you've disappointed me :(

I use a framework, if I don't use a framework, it turns itself into something that resembles a modern framework anyway.

>>9
That means you're doing it wrong...

>>10
>le kike sage

You need to work with some PHP code out in the wild to experience the joys of 'custom' code.  It will inevitably feel like a house of cards at one point or another, as PHP lets you get away with murder.

If you're in your basement by yourself, wanking it to dickgirls in between bouts of PHP, yeah, sure, write your own framework.
If you're working with other people, don't reinvent the wheel - you won't have time anyway.

The best code I write is code I steal from other people.  Find a framework that can do everything you need it to do, make sure people are actively writing code for it (lots of PHP abandonware out there), and figure out how it works.  I recommend CodeIgniter (sorta abandonware, but does everything you'll need until you know better).  MVC makes PHP bearable.


#Stay away from the Wordpress ghetto#

MVC
One of the most disgusting abominations created by architecture astronauts as a way of making PHP as difficult to use for web programming as any other general purpose language? No.

>>12

This is terrible advice. PHP is a web development framework. That's what it started out as: a Perl framework.

>>13

The successor to MVC is Morphic. Morphic's goals are "directness" and "liveness".

When I used PHP I used plain old PHP. I pushed everything to the front end, and the PHP was just secure glue to MySQL.

PHP
secure
Back to reddit/r/funny, please.

PHP is pretty much designed to be written in a horribly unstructured way.
It's essentially Perl for web programming.
I'd suggest using a different language if your project is large enough to require serious structure.

>>17
It's essentially Perl for web programming.
If only....

>>18
Well if you want real Perl for web programming then I'm pretty sure Perl has web programming libraries. They're just not very popular for reasons unknown

>>19
You kids might not know it, but back in the 90's half of websites on the Internet had at least a "cgi-bin.pl".

>>18
I use Perl::Dancer for my toy projects involving web pages. It's awesome

How do you use PHP?
You don't.

>>21
Oh fuck, my schizophrenia is back.
Who am I again?

>>20
Why'd it fall out of popularity?
I can't imagine PHP is better, yet it's king for small, shitty websites

>>24
I don't use php unless I need posting.

>>13
MVC and Frameworks are too difficult for you Cudder, we get it.
But not all programmers have disabilities.

>>26

MVC is not that great though. It came from Smalltalk, but Smalltalk replaced it with Morphic from Self (a language in the Smalltalk family).

The "MVC" frameworks you get in other languages are usually as confused as "Actor" frameworks. They are the result of the California-(or USA in general)-magic-computer-snake-oil-cheer-leader-squad marketing.