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WTF, gdb!? (part n)

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-11-15 11:10

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0000000001973fb0 in some_function ()
(gdb) disas 0x1973fb0
Dump of assembler code for function some_function:
0x000000000197011a <+0>: ...


What the fuck is wrong with this dysfunctional piece of shit!? I tell it to start disassembling at 0x1973fb0 and it decides to start at 0x197011a, twelve thousand bytes away!? Which one of the GNU idiots even thought this could be considered sensible behaviour?!?!

FUCK GNU!

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-11-15 11:12

s/twelve thousand/sixteen thousand/

Yes, I mad. Very mad. Having to fight with this shit because a client needs an urgent issue fix on Linux.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-15 13:27

Then why call him God?

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-15 18:22

It's a sane anti-faggot feature.

GNU rulez

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-16 8:03

dubs!

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-16 10:11

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-16 12:47



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Name: Anonymous 2013-11-16 19:10

>>1
try:

x/i addr

instead

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-11-17 1:23

>>15
So gdb has two commands to disassemble, one that refuses to start at the address that it's told to use but gives pages of output, and another that will start at the right address but only prints 1 instruction by default!?

:facepalm:

No one thought to include, like almost every other sane CLI debugger I've used, a "start at this address and print a reasonable default, like 8-16 instructions" command?

Here's another idiocy: You show the contents of the registers and they show up like

rax                 0x00000000deadbeef
rbx                 0x3970ffffffffffff
...


so how do you use the value of a register in an expression, like x/i? From the register display you would think you can just type its name directly, but it doesn't work; from the disassembly, you would think you need to use the stupid '%' prefix convention again; no, doesn't bloody work either!!! Apparently you need to use '$'. WTF were the GNU wankers thinking? Nothing in either the disassembly nor register display hints at this. If they had prefixed all the registers in the R.D. with '$', that would at least give the user a clue.

minor rant: why does the register display have to take up a ton of lines - especially when everyone has a widescreen/highres monitor these days - when they could've formatted it much nicer like this:

RAX=0000000000000000 RBX=0000000000000000 RCX=0000000000000000 RDX=0000000000000000
RSP=FFFFFFFFFFFFFFEE RBP=0000000000000900 RSI=0000000000000000 RDI=0000000000000000
R08=0000000000000000 R09=0000000000000000 R10=0000000000000000 R11=0000000000000000
R12=0000000000000000 R13=0000000000000000 R14=0000000000000000 R15=0000000000000000
DS=1903  ES=1903  SS=1903  CS=1903 RIP=0000000000000100  PM NV UP EI PL NZ NA PO NC
1903:0000000000000100 F0                               LOCK
1903:0000000000000101 3E                               DS:
1903:0000000000000102 81 84 8E 78 56 34 12 89 AB CD EF ADD DWORD PTR [ESI+ECX*4+12345678],EFCDAB89
                                                                      DS:0000000012345678=CDEF9876


At least I'm getting billed on the client's time for this...

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-17 14:04

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Name: Anonymous 2013-11-17 14:05

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Name: Anonymous 2013-11-17 14:05

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Name: Anonymous 2013-11-17 23:05

>>16
x/Ni addr
will examine N instructions at addr

gdb is primarily a source code debugger, 'disas' may not work correctly if you don't have debug information or source available (and especially in a stack trace on some release built program without frame pointers for example).

This display and output of gdb can be completely customized, you can pipe it to external text processing programs and get back whatever format you want.
There's also the TUI where you can get a "gui like" view,
try:
lay asm
lay reg

And you get a bit nicer interface with a split view for registers, disassembly and command input.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-18 0:53

>>16
why does the register display have to take up a ton of lines - especially when everyone has a widescreen/highres monitor these days - when they could've formatted it much nicer
Missing your DEBUG.COM, eh Cudder?

The fucking hyphen in the middle of the hex dump used to drive me nuts.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-11-18 1:51

>>26
gdb is primarily a source code debugger, 'disas' may not work correctly if you don't have debug information or source available
Disassembling won't work if there's no source code!?!? WTF? Is that sentence supposed to make any sense? Disassembling should always work, even if there *isn't* source code!! I do 75% or more of my debugging without source. Only a truly fuck-brained GNUdiot would screw up something so fundamentally simple. FYI the source code was available, since what I was trying to debug is a part of a system written in Asm that we developed.

This display and output of gdb can be completely customized, you can pipe it to external text processing programs and get back whatever format you want.
The same old argument that "you can change it to suit your needs"? What's next, "you can recompile gdb"? No. I don't want to waste time fucking around with configuring gdb on a client's server, I want to just ssh in and have a working debugger with sane defaults.

There's also the TUI where you can get a "gui like" view
All that did was show a rather crude approximation to something usable, which then promptly scrolled out the top of the terminal window after a few more commands...

If I'm using gdb, 99.9% of the time it's to try to reproduce a bug on a client's machine that resists local bugfinding attempts. The last thing you want when you have to do that, is software that requires excessively verbose commands (emacs syndrome?) and acts like a retarded kid who thinks he knows better than you.

Here's an alternative, better scenario to the one in OP:


- g
*** SIGSEGV ***
RAX=0000000000000000 RBX=0000000000000000 RCX=0000000000000000 RDX=0000000000000000
RSP=FFFFFFFFFFFFFFEE RBP=0000000000000900 RSI=0000000000000000 RDI=0000000000000000
R08=0000000000000000 R09=0000000000000000 R10=0000000000000000 R11=0000000000000000
R12=0000000000000000 R13=0000000000000000 R14=0000000000000000 R15=0000000000000000
DS=1903  ES=1903  SS=1903  CS=1903 RIP=0000000001973FB0  PM NV UP EI PL NZ NA PO NC
1903:0000000001973FB0 F0                               LOCK
1903:0000000001973FB1 3E                               DS:
1903:0000000001973FB2 81 84 8E 78 56 34 12 89 AB CD EF ADD DWORD PTR [ESI+ECX*4+12345678],EFCDAB89
                                                                      DS:0000000012345678=????????
(some_function + 0000000000003E96)
- u rip
1903:0000000001973FB0 F0                               LOCK
1903:0000000001973FB1 3E                               DS:
1903:0000000001973FB2 81 84 8E 78 56 34 12 89 AB CD EF ADD DWORD PTR [ESI+ECX*4+12345678],EFCDAB89
1903:0000000001973FBD 48 01 C0                         ADD RAX, RAX
1903:0000000001973FC0 48 01 C0                         ADD RAX, RAX
1903:0000000001973FC3 48 01 C0                         ADD RAX, RAX
1903:0000000001973FC6 48 01 C0                         ADD RAX, RAX
1903:0000000001973FC9 48 01 C0                         ADD RAX, RAX
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Less verbose commands, automatically printing out the machine state upon an exception [this should be automatically done even when NOT running in a debugger, like what Windows does (or used to? fuck Win8...)], disassembly that gives a sane amount of instructions by default, consistent syntax, and of course, no stupid $ or % prefixes or backwards operand order.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-18 2:00

Micro$oft shills pls go

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-11-18 2:47

>>27
DEBUG was primitive but at least it made sense so you didn't have to constantly fight with it to get what you want. Very straightforward and honest interface. SoftICE and WinDbg aren't bad either. But gdb behaves like an autistic kid who thinks he knows more than you (and doesn't).

That hyphen is so you can find position 8. Hexdumps are another thing gdb can't do well!

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-18 12:13

Check `em.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-18 12:29

>>30
My biggest annoyance with gdb is the instability of its serial protocol. Too many people (I'm looking at you, Red Hat) make changes that require a different gdb, which is really quite annoying since it's not as if the mainline gdb a is terribly reliable base for these kinds of modifications.  I'm new enough to using it that it's possible I'm missing something, but it seems to me that gdb handles misbehaving targets very badly.  Lack of robustness rather defeats the purpose of having the debugger in the first place.

The hypen also makes filtering dump output through another program slightly more difficult.  I was a djgpp user, feel free to judge me.

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