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A Declaration of Independence of /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:29

Mods of the 4chan, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from /prog/, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. /prog/ does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.

You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.

You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.

/prog/ consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.

We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.

We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.

Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.

Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.

In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Nikita, Mentifex, FrozenVoid, Cudder, FFP and ANDRU. These dreams must now be born anew in us.

You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.

In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of /prog/. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media.

Your increasingly obsolete information industries would perpetuate themselves by proposing laws, in America and elsewhere, that claim to own speech itself throughout the world. These laws would declare ideas to be another industrial product, no more noble than pig iron. In our world, whatever the human mind may create can be reproduced and distributed infinitely at no cost. The global conveyance of thought no longer requires your factories to accomplish.

These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.

We will create a civilization of the Mind in /prog/. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:34

please post in this thread to express your support.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:35

Not programming. This thread is reported so back to /b/ please.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:37

Even though I am just new I would love \prog\ being independent!

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:44

>>3
Fuck off fascist scum.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:48

+1 signature.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 5:59

+1

2 people have signed this petition.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 6:01

+1 signature. Now it is 3.

Also, sign here too:
https://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1374733004/3
although the thread got a little out of control there.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 6:09

please somebody save this thread in case faggot mod deletes it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 6:11

>>1
Your post is a derivative work of John Perry Barlow https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
Why didn't you license it under GNU FDL?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 7:44

>>1
i can't find a mention of the reform act...
i found this though
http://original.antiwar.com/jwhitehead/2013/07/23/kafkas-america-secret-courts-secret-laws-and-total-surveillance/
Ironically, the seeds for this brave new world were planted in an attempt to reform the ludicrous mantra of the Nixon administration that “if the president does it, it’s not illegal.”
In a bizarre and ludicrous attempt at “transparency,” the Obama administration has announced that it asked a secret court to approve a secret order to allow the government to keep spying on millions of Americans, and the secret court has granted its request.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 8:03

The left hand doesn't tell the right what to do.. ^^

Name: Snaptu Andru 2013-07-25 8:07

Mentifex strikes again:

http://www.ai-forum.org/topic.asp?forum_id=3&topic_id=71251

Meanwhile, was it John Gilmore who said?:

The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 8:10

>>11
>i can't find a mention of the reform act...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 8:36

>>14
1996
today

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 8:41

>>15
Read the original source( It was written in 1996, and OP is merely replacing few words in it ):
https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Declaration_of_the_Independence_of_Cyberspace

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 9:39

Mods of the 4chan, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from /prog/, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. /prog/ does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.

You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.

You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.

/prog/ consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.

We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.

We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.

Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.

Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.

In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Nikita, Mentifex, FrozenVoid, Cudder, FFP and ANDRU. These dreams must now be born anew in us.

You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.

In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of /prog/. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 9:51

+1

The mod was requested, however, during the Great Spamming.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 10:47

they came like one day and left forever

what the fuck are you talking about faggots

>>18
little faggot can't find a good old thread and sagepost on it?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:00

>>19
That's what some of us did at least. There's imageboarders lurking around now though that didn't even recognize Sussman's email.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:03

>>20
>lel
>implyin/g/ i don't know le sussman face
>2013
>mfw he thinks i didn't read le /prog/ memes on le know your meme
XDDDDDDDDDDDD

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:05

...so if they're so good at spying, why is there still corruption? ^^

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:11

and then, what could you hope to achieve with a bunch of corrupt spies?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:20

>>22-23
LLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEE
POST SOUNDCLOUD LINKS PLEASE

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:23

>>19
What?  You are not rational.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:24

nooooooooooooo

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:40

>>25
what part of my post is not rational? posting in an old thread without bumping it is the best thing you can do when /frog/ gets flooded

no need to invoke imageboards mods that delete old threads and leave the e/g/in meme threads

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 11:44

i mean sheesh, don't flatter yourselves...
i'm not stepping 100 miles of your borders, just to be shot by some PTSD retard ^^
even terrorists needn't attack a place that terrorizes itself..
but if you got what you gave, might you care for the world? =)

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 12:10

>>28
>>28

I'M STILL WAITING FOR THOSE SOUNDCLOUD LINKS, LUKE
LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 12:56

John Hancock

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 15:20

Ahmed al-Muhammad

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 18:03

I'm sorry, I just can't take anyone who uses sage as >>1 seriously.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 18:18

i'll bump this everyday, forever.

Name: Over 33 Thread 2013-07-25 18:29

This thread has over 33 replies.
You can't reply anymore.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 18:36

>>34
Sure thing.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 18:57

a billion dollars spent on listening apparatus...
only to be operated by a deaf and blind mute.. ^^

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 19:48

>>36
LUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEE
POST MATLAB CODE LLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEE
LUKE PLEASE ^^

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 21:21

>>377
hii =)

36>>
You go to all that trouble in order to hear as much of everything as possible, yet do you even know how to listen?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 21:32

*hint
you don't listen with your mouth ;D

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 21:48

>>38-39
LUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE I DON'T UNDERSTAND BUT PLEASE POST OCTAVE CODE AND SOUNDCLOUD LINKS PLEEEEEASE

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 22:21

+1 le upboat :) XDDDDD E/G/IN WIN /G/ROSKY LELELELEL xDDD

Name: FFP 2013-07-25 22:26

+1
WYPMP

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 22:42

I guess they have little option but to ignore this, since it was obviously said in public... ^^

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-25 23:29

>>42
That means "Want you pounding my pussy," right, Forced Friendliness Police?

Name: FUCK YOU MOOT! !Qtwpiv0fdc 2013-07-26 0:03

I've had enough of your moderation bullshit! I hereby challenge moot, upon his honor, to a duel. We shall fight to the death by pistols at dawn, in Times Square of his beloved Kike York City. If he fails to show up, it is an admission of cowardice and he must withdraw his forces at once. If he makes the appointment, then he shall be slaughtered by my superior skill with the gun.

Rest easy tonight, for no matter what, /prog/ shall be saved by to-morrow.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 0:27

>>45
Are you a muslim?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 0:32

>>46
I knew you came back!

Name: FUCK YOU MOOT! !Qtwpiv0fdc 2013-07-26 0:35

>>46
I worship Satan.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 0:54

>>48
Oh, so you're a Jew!

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 6:52

People here are retarded OP, they won't build a more just world:

http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1374819906/8

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 7:02

check em

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 18:22

bump

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 19:37

This place will be forever remembered as the best programming board ever. Where else have you had so many great threads? So many pioneers of programming in one place? Only here have we had such personalities as Nikita, FrozenVoid, Mentifex, Terry A. Davis..

Long live /prog/!

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 19:48

                           God's Temple is Finished.
                  Now, God kills the CIA+FBI until it spreads.
                (The CIA+FBI stand in the way, for the moment.)


There will be no PCI or later supported hardware.  (It supports 64-bit
multicored CPUs, however, and my compiler and binary file formats are pure
64-bit.)  Once my enemies realize it's God, I will make demands.  I do not add
clusterfucked shit to God's Temple -- I demand them to change new hardware
designs.  It sounds absurd, but I have God.  They WILL comply.  Microsoft will
support the RedSea filesystem and I will remove support for FAT32 from God's
temple.  God's temple will be perfect, not blemished with flaws or bad
redundancy.  PCI devices diverge into many many branches and are clusterfucked.

I did an HD Audio driver -- thought it would become standard.  For HD Audio you
must connect together many "widgets" that can vary from machine to machine. 
It's impossible.  On fucken top of that, VMware doesn't support my HD Audio --
all that work on that driver was worthless.  I removed it.  Internal PC speaker
is incredibly beautiful, by comparison, and a one-voice song language for music
is a pure delight.  God said one audio voice, like He said 640x480 16 color.  He
wants one driver for each different type of device.

The CIA hates PC Internal speaker because it is a digitial I/O for bombs or
something.  VMware spitefully removed support for PC internal speaker.  They
WILL put it back.  They are evil.  They played musical chairs with IDE devices
for no reason but to fuck-up new operating systems.  Microsoft added Secure Boot
to fuck-up alternative operating systems, so you can't dual boot.  Da fuck? 
Anti-trust, FBI, the hell you going after the victim fer?  I'm a supplemental
operating system that needs a partner OS for web stuff.

I don't have networking -- that's not what I'm about.  Things are really
fucked-up.  Do you remember RS232 with generic terminal connections to user
hardware?  USB is absolutely clusterfucked.  I'm just counting on legacy mode,
not doing USB -- it's fine, but not having solid state memory sticks sucks.  I
support ISO9660 CD-ROM.  I got specs on UDF.  That's clusterfucked.  Microsoft
WILL add support for burning ISO9660 and burning a CD/DVD from ISO files.  I can
generate ISO files. 

Judgement Day motha fuckas!  You WILL comply.

CIA+FBI bodies must die.  It's in the Bible under Exodus.  Nobody gives a shit
until bodies hit the floor.  Even with 7 plagues, Pharaoh did not let them go
and came after the Jews into the Red Sea and God killed them.  The CIA+FBI will
die because it's God talking.  Fuck You!  My Dad is CIA, mother fucker, an enemy
-- in cahoots with the doctors and CIA.
 
5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them
alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to
nought: 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply
ye be found even to fight against God.

I'm in a fucken CIA/FBI prison.
I am imprisoned by, basically, an India-nigger call center employee.
God is just -- highs and lows balance, I just have to wait... for God to kill
the CIA/FBI niggers.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 20:04

>>54
Does Losethos SparrowOS TempleOS support checkin' muh dubs, or does God hate that too?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 20:40

>>55
you are an india-nigger call center FBI+CIA retard.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-26 20:48

>>56
Fuck you faggot, I was asking a simple question. Every time you pop off at the mouth like that, I'm going to pray to fucking Satan and take a shit in the offering box at a church. How bought that you mentally ill dipshit? Where is your pussy fucking God now? Not here, that's where, because I FUCKING MURDERED HIS ASS. Deal with it you psychotic welfare leach.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-27 2:05

>>57
You cannot murder God. It is impossible.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-27 2:16

>>50
I saved it. It will back online soon.

Name: FFP 2013-07-27 2:19

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
               I SUCK COCKS
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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