Offtopic posts don't belong to /prog/ they should be in /lounge/ or /vip/.
/prog/ should be about programming and things strongly related to programming. Mods are doing the right thing by deleting these shitthreads.
P.S. I'm not a mod.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 4:03
>>7
Just curious. What do you think of A pack of wild niggers, or YOU FUQIN ANGERED AN EXPERT PROGRAMMER, or ENTERPRISE, or prog snake? These aren't really programming related, yet they've been a unique part of /prog/ for like 5 years now.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 4:42
>>8
I'm not >>7-san, but I'll post anyway because I can. Perhaps a good analogy would be acronyms. ENTERPRISE is like an acronym that expands to ``A stereotypically over-engineered situation full of boilerplate.'' or ``Something which is extremely overvalued'' or the like. That makes sense, it's a description that's often evoked when talking about things that are programming related. If used correctly, it can be no more out-of-place than writing K&R to refer to their classic text. `A pack of wild niggers' doesn't really expand that way. Unique part of /prog/ or not, it has no real excuse for being here.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 4:53
>>9
But it's been here longer that this new wave of /prog/ is for programming as been. In my opinion if at least one person wants it here, then it should stay. Otherwise, the volumes of /prog/ since 2004 will need to be wiped out when its content goes out of date, which goes against another principle of this board, that posts are permanent and can always be looked back on far into the future.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 4:58
going on, the excuse for it being here was that once upon a time someone here wrote it in it's form for the first time on this board. And it was enjoyed and reused by a lot of people that have used this board. They've made it a part of this by that simple demand. If it doesn't belong at it's original place of creation, then where does it belong? And how is the range of what is and isn't allowed defined? Who gets to make these decisions on allowed content?
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Anonymous2013-07-25 5:09
>>8
1.Do you start threads with "A pack of wild %s"? Do you feel these threads are about programming?
2.Replying to a thread with the above is fine, but what if the thread become an endless variation of "A pack of wild %s" plus some memes. Instead of thread being somewhat useful its just a meme contest(like on reddit, puns and novelty accounts replying to a non-funny topic).
There should be middle ground between "purely memetic, entertaining" and "purely technical, boring" /prog/ and that means #1 has to go and #2 should follow if its completely infested by memes/copypasta. Its like adding(posting) too much or too little salt(memes) to your diet(culture).
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Anonymous2013-07-25 5:19
/prog/ is self-aware and will reroute itself around censorship.
>>8,10
If I had the power to remove those threads five years ago, I would have done it. The fact remains, they are not programming, not even with the most tenuous of excuses. This thread isn't programming either.
>>11
If one can make a good connection about promoting or improving the art of programming amongst the general populous, then it's programming relating. The endless pronunciation threads, drugs and jew spam does not promote programming.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 5:46
>>16
it doesnt matter, it is now /prog/-worthy material and is customary. so fuck off if you dont like it.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 5:49
>>12
There were people starting threads here with "A pack of wild %s" long before you came here bitching about the lack of "programming".
Prog obtains the equilibrium. Interesting content has been deleted because it was posted under a thread with a crappy subject.
>>17 If it doesn't belong at it's original place of creation, then where does it belong? And how is the range of what is and isn't allowed defined? Who gets to make these decisions on allowed content?
It's /prog/ worthy because it was spammed here by some shitposters? I could spam advocation for MLP here everyday three times a day. According to your logic, MLP would possibly become worthy /prog/.
>>22,23
I have no idea of what you're trying to communicate. Programming isn't about wikipedia.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:13
>>24
You must still be a student. Once you get to a certain point, you'll find that programming isn't all that interesting. These things that you want to fill prog with, they are mere instruction manuals. Things that you have to think about at work. Whatever man. If you want this shit on prog, start threads with them as the subject. Don't be surprised if you get no helpful replies.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:23
Reddit's /r/programming community has more quality posts and active posters. Some of us visit it daily. /prog/ compared to it is a backwater town filled with retards. So, if you ask "Do you want /prog/ to be like /r/programming?!" its like a frat boy complaining about "these fuckin' nerds and their wikeepeedia"
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:25
>>26
I have a really grand solution. Go back there!
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:28
>>26
And by the way, I am not complaining about them and their wikipedia. I'm complaining about a website consisting of people paraphrasing (badly) information that I could otherwise just look up on wikipedia. Get it straight.
I find it frustrating, that even though you can't respond to >>28, you're still going to go maintaining the same viewpoint.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:45
>>28
You're saying wikipedia shouldn't be referenced?
Like it or not, wikipedia is a immense source of "trusted knowledge" and quoting it adds weight to your argument or position. If a post has a wikipedia references and it relevant, it will probably get upvoted for providing useful information(unlike /prog/ which responds with irrational loathing for wikipedia).
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:49
>>30
I'm not saying anything about what any should do with or without wikipedia. But that I am not interested in reading an attempted re-invention of it. I like wikipedia as it is, where information is entered and then subjected to review. I wouldn't go to a discussion forum to find the sort of information that I can get at wikipedia. It's like you've been purposefully misinterpreting what I've been saying for 3 posts now.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:55
>>31
>I wouldn't go to a discussion forum to find the sort of information that I can get at wikipedia.
Then why are you on /prog/? There isn't a single (programming) thread that could NOT be answered by searching wikipedia or replaced with few paragraphs from wikipedia.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 6:55
wikipedia is a immense source of "trusted knowledge" and quoting it adds weight to your argument or position
lol, people actually think that?
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Anonymous2013-07-25 7:03
>>32
Because unlike you, I actually like /prog/, and it gives me something that I can't get at wikipedia. I get to show why if it isn't LISP it's crap, and how LISP is shit. Why seeples is worse than see and I read my SICP. I can bash PHP while being an enterprise code monkey. Yes, I actually like doing these things. And guess what, I can't do it anywhere else on the internet.
Meanwhile, I continue to browse sites like wikipedia when I want to look things up. Is this so hard to understand?
>>33
>lol, people actually think that?
Number of people who trust wikipedia:Hundreds of millions at least, most internet users.
Number of people who don't trust wikipedia:thousands of academics/elitists.
So, the answer is "people do actually think like that" and the opposite view is a narrow minority.
Anyways, I need to go now. We'll have to continue this talk later. But it is likely the talk. We're breaking up. I don't care how many years I've sort of known you by talking to you anonymously. It's over, understand?
>>7
Just because you can spam something does not mean it is part of /prog/'s culture. The fact is, a small subset of /prog/'s readers are autistic otaku retards that spammed and continue to spam /prog/ trying to force their own memes. Moderation is acceptable by me because it would end those retards' attempts. It would not stop /prog/ from creating new memes.
>>34
So your idea of /prog/ is vaguely programming-related pseudo-intellectual circlejerk with memes?
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Anonymous2013-07-25 8:29
For what its worth, /prog/ got me posting on the web again after a period of avoidance, seeing some of the extreme shitposts here 2 years ago made me feel that posting some of my esoteric programming related posts won't be judged too badly in comparison (I posted that /PROG/BOL implemented in Perl at some point).
Some of the posters here display interesting insight in programming and math once in a while (though rarely, because who wants to help random shits that come in for their homework), but are probably contributing a fair share of shitposting to vent off fustration and get their mind in a entertained mood. I myself don't want to lose those posters since they give /prog/ character. Even tdavis posted interesting things sometimes. This is practically the only place outside the LKML that you can post that C++ is shit. Also you can post that Lisp is shit, GC is shit, Everything is shit and other unpopular positions and provide coherent arguments to back it up. On Reddit you'll get below the threshold and others will miss it completely, since that place operates mostly on emotions and tribal allegiance even if they say these votes somehow add up objectively. Whereas here you have to scroll past their arguments at least.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 8:34
>>42
/prog/ is the last bastion of Freedom in a cruel, commercialized and enterprise-oriented IT world.
>>43
It's not wrong to say "C++ is shit" and have arguments to back it up. It's wrong to post non-programming threads in /prog/ and these people should go back to /b/.
Mods of the 4chan, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from /prog/, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.
Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. /prog/ does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.
You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.
You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.
/prog/ consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.
We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.
We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.
Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.
Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.
In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Nikita, Mentifex, FrozenVoid, Cudder, FFP and ANDRU. These dreams must now be born anew in us.
You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.
In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of /prog/. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 10:58
>>26 Some of us visit it daily.
Uh? Might want to GO BACK THERE, buddy.
I'll tell you what. Why don't we just keep on posting whatever the fuck we want, wherever the fuck we want? You want a free speech zone? I got your free speech zone right here *grabs dick.
DES key size GET. https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/19/634
The social justice freedom fighter finally backs down after demonstrating a partial understanding of the subtle social dynamics of the autistic FOSS community. A question remains however on our minds; is it merely a coincidence that a white American female would be the one to misunderstand this and start shit?
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Anonymous2013-07-25 15:51
check em
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Anonymous2013-07-25 16:34
>>41
more proof that the fucks who sage every thread on /prog/ are from the imageboards (le fuck reddit LELELLELELELELLE) and are trying to fit in by saging the proper way (on the imageboards that is).
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Anonymous2013-07-25 16:35
>>43
Coherent argument does not mean logical argument.
Earlier I was a iichan.hk haunter, they had lax moderation back then, but since my appearance they recruited a bunch of janitors from the ranks of high-school kids, who now ban everyone for no reason besides good old "i dont like your post".
Same for 2ch.hk, where /wrk/ had no mods and people were free, but I forced them to add permanent moderation.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 20:34
>>73
On 2ch.hk I also managed to invoke mods to /pr/, /sci/ and /un/.
Jews really hate antisemitism and will drown the board in moderation just to stop antisemitic postings.
>>73,74
/prog/'s moderation has nothing to do with jewspam, it's because some idiot flooded the board a few weeks ago.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 20:43
>>73,74
So basically you are a cancer, a drain on society, and a overall bad thing, and you recognize this. Still, you refuse to even keep your jew shit to it's own threads, and insist on wrecking everything and bringing in moderation.
I think it's pretty clear (and has been for a while, honestly), that you are just a kike shill trying to make anti-semitism look bad by spamming it everywhere. You had done nothing but advance the Jewish cause and further their agenda. You sicken me, JIDF scum.
Why isn't Nikita banned again? Mod, you have one job, and that is to ban the NEET as many times as necessary until he finds another forum to shitpost on.
Do that, and we'll as happy as we can with your presence.
>>81
Because I hate him. Plain and simple. I would derive pleasure from seeing him banned again and again. It's out of habit now. You sort of get accustomed to disliking someone, no matter how boring they are, and Nikita is a pretty boring individual after a short while.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:45
>>78 until he finds another forum to shitpost on.
Sorry but I already got banned on every single forum out there, while imageboards dont require registration.
>>86
Yeah, yeah, whatever. Just keep doing your thing, and if the mod does his, I'll be slightly less annoyed and bored with everything.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:47
>>86
Although most of the sites got ban are education and employment related, like job.ru and http://postupim.ru/
Everyone refuses to help me giving me a job without a degree and they say i am idiot becuase I want to enroll into university having no school education.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:48
>>89
Well, you're an idiot for not having school education.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:50
>>90
That is no my fault. It were the Jews who passed law allowing homeschooling. Before that school education was mandatory for everyone. If not for Jews, would have got school education.
>>91
Yeah yeah the Jews made you a faggot and whatnot.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:51
>>90
And setting himself up for unrealistic expectations just so he is doomed to failure from the start and he can console himself for it.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:52
I TOLD YOU FUCKERS NIKITA DIDN'T USE SAGE
BUT NOOOOOOOO
"HOW DO YOU KNOW? ARE YOU HIS PERSONAL CUMDUMP? XDDDDDDDD" GUESS WHAT MOFOS, I'M NOT RETARDED AND I REALIZED HE CAN'T SAGE EVER SINCE HE CAME HERE
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:53
>>91
And of course Jews advocated homeschooling, laying that people should have freedom of self-education and to allow non-government schools, like their Yeshivas.
In practice when you give a student freedom, a student would just waste time learning nothing. That was Jewish plan to destroy Russian education by dismantling mandatory schooling system.
>>96
That's a trick question. You are lonely and a slob, of course you wouldn't sage for any reason.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:56
>>92
In 1992 a group of Jewish lobbyist managed to push through a law, allowing education outside of school (i.e. no more mandatory schooling), so I was transferred to homeschooling.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 21:56
>>98
And that law is unconstitutional, because russian constitution guarantees education for every citizen.
>>98
No, they were NAZI researchers, if we are talking about USA. Do your Homework before you spew nonsense. >>98
And every other real developed nation.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:08
>>100
No. They were Yeltsin perestroyka Jews. "Reformators"
There is a massive amount homeschooling criticism in Russia, coming from russian nationalsts, and the only ones who defend home education are the Jews and liberals, like Chapkovsky (http://www.familyeducation.ru/)
Статья 17. Формы получения образования и формы обучения Пункт 1.2 статьи 17 гласит: «В Российской Федерации образование может быть получено … вне организаций, осуществляющих образовательную деятельность (в форме семейного образования и самообразования)». Пункт 2.3 статьи 17 гласит: «Обучение в форме семейного образования и самообразования осуществляется с правом последующего прохождения в соответствии с частью 3 статьи 34 настоящего Федерального закона промежуточной и государственной итоговой аттестации в организациях, осуществляющих образовательную деятельность». Пункты 1.2. и 2.3. статьи 17 нивелируют п.4 Статьи 43 Конституции РФ о том, что «основное общее образование обязательно», снимая с государства контролирующие функции относительно получения качественного общего среднего образования. Введение в закон альтернативных, неподконтрольных государству видов образования «семейного образования» и «самообразования», законодательно закрепляет за негативно настроенными в отношении образования родителями право ограничения образования своих детей. Школа – главный социальный институт по передаче социо-культурного опыта последующим поколениям, призванный создавать условия не только для усвоения знаний учащимися, но и развития у них познавательных процессов, воспитания и самовоспитания личности, а также социализации личности в обществе. Самообразование – фактически невозможная форма получения основного общего образования, поскольку школьник (особенно, младший школьник) сам себе передавать социокультурный опыт не может. Он ещё не является субъектом учебной деятельности и, тем более, не является специалистом в различных предметных областях. Для этого нужны профессиональные наставники – учителя, компетентные в той или иной области знания. В законе не конкретизируется, что понимается под «семейным образованием». Поскольку родитель не может быть специалистом во всех предметных областях знания, данная форма образования может нарушать права ребёнка на получение качественного образования. К тому же, пункт 2 статьи 17 законодательно закрепляет заочную форму обучения во всех организациях, осуществляющих образовательную деятельность: «Обучение в организациях, осуществляющих образовательную деятельность, с учетом потребностей, возможностей личности и в зависимости от объема обязательных занятий педагогического работника с обучающимися осуществляется в очной, очно-заочной или заочной форме». Заочная форма обучения уже предполагает самообразование и семейное образование, только под контролем государства относительно содержания обучения в соответствии с обязательными федеральными государственными образовательными стандартами. В связи с вышесказанным, пункты 1.2. и 2.3. статьи 17 нарушают права ребёнка на получение полноценного образования, развития, воспитания и полноценную социализацию, поэтому их следует исключить из закона.
>>101
There's a big difference between having Jews as your enemies and calling all your enemies Jews.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:16
>>103
Chapkovsky is a Jew. Russians never have hooked noses and -sky ending surnames. Russian noses are always pug.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:17
>>102
Opposition to homeschooling comes from some organizations of teachers and school districts. The National Education Association, a United States teachers' union and professional association, opposes homeschooling.[44][45] Criticisms by such opponents include:
Inadequate standards of academic quality and comprehensiveness
Lack of socialization with peers of different ethnic and religious backgrounds
The potential for development of religious or social extremism/individualism
Potential for development of parallel societies that do not fit into standards of citizenship and community
Stanford University political scientist Professor Rob Reich [46] (not to be confused with former U.S. Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich) wrote in The Civic Perils of Homeschooling (2002) that homeschooling can potentially give students a one-sided point of view, as their parents may, even unwittingly, block or diminish all points of view but their own in teaching. He also argues that homeschooling, by reducing students' contact with peers, reduces their sense of civic engagement with their community.[47] Gallup polls of American voters have shown a significant change in attitude in the last 20 years, from 73% opposed to home education in 1985 to 54% opposed in 2001.[48]
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:17
Why did your mom want to homeschool you nikita?
At what age did you stop going to school?
How did you learn programming?
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:22
Why did your dad abandon you Nikita?
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:23
>>106 Why did your mom want to homeschool you nikita?
I was a noisy kid, so homeschooling was proposed by the teacher just to get rid of me (already during the 1st year), and mom just agreed.
>At what age did you stop going to school?
in the middle of the first grade
How did you learn programming?
By reading one of "in 24 hours" book. If not for these watered down books, /prog/ would have never seen me.
>>100 And every other real developed nation.
Good countries, like Germany banned homeschooling:
Some countries have highly regulated home education programs as an extension of the compulsory school system; others, such as Sweden and Germany,[49] have outlawed it entirely. Brazil has a law project in process. In other countries, while not restricted by law, homeschooling is not socially acceptable or considered undesirable and is virtually non-existent.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 22:25
>>109
so nobody likes you nikita? not even your dad? lol
Trubovsky too advocates homeschooling, but worse, Trubovsky tries to force Russian government to pay parents who take kids out of school. That is a huge unpcoming disaster! Russian alcoholics would never send their kids to school, when they can get free money for not sending them. Basically, Jews pay you to avoid educating your kids.
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Anonymous2013-07-25 23:00
>>123
Do lolies run to their mothers when they see you? That's how you know that you are unredeemably ugly. If they don't, then try going for a slightly gay look, and buy a hairpiece. It might just get you laid.