welcome to the cloud

SICP, 1986:
- recursive tree walks
- AI
- lisp
- prolog
- magic

2013:
- overengineered nonsense like visual studio and java
- hipstr.js, a new "framework" that uses 120% of your CPU to do nothing useful
- "cloud" computing, a return to 1960's remote-access services in lieu of personal computing, for the greater profit of software giants
- fisherprice "apps" the design of which assumes computer users are 3 years old

Today Apple with their "user-friendly" unprogrammable devices are king, enslaving people into believing that a "computer" is a gadget for wasting time on websites and not a means of computing things

If you don't buy new "devices" every year and contribute your share to world pollution, you're not cool. Even though we now have many gigahertz of CPU and many gigabytes of RAM, upgrades are considered proper etiquette.

When software lets you connect with customers when and where they want, that's business with .NET.

When objects fall back to the ground after they are thrown, that's business with gravity.

As they said in the olden days before this website was run over by spammers and racists, DISCUSS.

/prog/ was never good.

the death of programming

>>2
yeah it always feels like it used to be good at some mythical previous point in time, except it probably never was.

/prog/ was originally shit. Then over time, it became the pinnacle of shit.

mfw the inventor of lisp was actually a fan of saas

also i guess in 2013 there's still academic programming going on (haskell etc.) only we don't hear about it because it's not aggressively marketed as the cloud/app/js shit is

SICP is a well-kept secret and i guess it's great that all these "developers" don't know about it so they can continue to be shit

What is the cloud? I mean actually it's like OMG STORE FILES ON A SERVER. Isn't that called the internet....

>>8
There's the files aspect, but there's also the "software as a service side". Programs run on servers and PCs serve as dumb terminals that send keypresses etc. to the server and get video (or html) back. welcome to the botnet

>>8
Internet Cloud is a cluster of computers which
1.provides redundancy and scalability for the user
2.allowing storing and modifying data
3.allowing remotely uploading and controlling programs on the cluster
4.provides an interface that makes the cluster an application

>>1
The thing about the past is that you're only looking at the examples that have survived in some form.  It's a process that excludes the shit, and there was a ton of shit.  I remember seeing an mid-80's ad for a program that kept your shopping list on your computer.  Price: $80.  There's still crap like that floating around, but now it costs what it's worth: nothing.

As for cloud, well, people are rightly leery of it.  But the corruption of these companies are the same forces that brought us Linux and FreeBSD in the first place, and the worse these assholes get the more free (in both senses) options there will be.  The only real danger is that they worm their way into legislating away free software, which is a genuine threat in my opinion.

I think another danger is that one of these proprietary companies might come up with a programming tool that is in some way genuinely superior to the free alternatives, and is difficult to duplicate.  That would prevent neckbeards like us from climbing the economic ladder should we wish to.

But if you really believe lisp to be superior to .NET or Java, use it.  Write something usable in it and share it.  That is how you will prove your correctness.  Writing will never do that.

overengineered nonsense
Like AMD64?

>>11
thanks for your advice

>>11
Write something
Writing will never do that
Are you a woman?

>>14
Oh I'm sorry, are you too stupid to understand synonyms defined by conversational context?  Let me clarify that for you; try to read this slowly.  What I intended, and successfully communicated to anyone with a basic grasp of the English language, was that the op should write a program instead of a post in order to prove his beliefs.

>>11
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NostalgiaFilter

>>16
Jolly good!  Have a nostalgic song.

http://grooveshark.com/s/Computer+Love/1NvZeq?src=5

>>15
Can you even make programs run with your lack of clarity?

>>18
Yes but I have to use an alias.

>- overengineered nonsense like visual studio and java

YOU MENA HASKELL THE UGLY DOG?

- tabbed browsing and other antiproductive UIs

Apparently, the fact that people may want to see more than 1 webpage at a time is never considered, or that they may want to see the UI of more than one "app" simultaneously.

Meanwhile screen resolutions continue to increase!

I have an early tablet that runs Win98SE and it's easier to multitask on that than an iPad, because as it name indicates, Windows allows you to arrange your windows however you want and open as many apps as available memory allows. And it only has an 800x600 screen. With the iPad, all you can do is run one app at a time and switch between them, on a 2048x1536 screen which is more than most people have on their desktops.

WHAT THE FUCK.

>>21
That's why nobody bought these shitty Windows tablets. Arranging tiny windows on a tablet is so PRODUCTIVE.

>>21
If the size of your penis is proportional to the outrageousness of your trolls, your becoming a woman is a terrible loss for mankind.

>>22
You can use maximise button. You have choice, to make the windows to the size you prefer. Some apps like the calculator shouldn't be maximised anyway.

A 2048x1536 fullscreen calculator (that doesn't even graph)? That's retarded.

>>25
A 2048x1536 fullscreen non-programmable calculator (that doesn't even graph)?
ftfy